uncanny ability in a live game

I need help
Last night I went to a very soft tourney-then-cash game that I went to a year or so ago before I started moving like a f*n banshee.
So the dealer has this simply amazing ability, as early in the tourney I bluff on the turn with a gutshot and get called, hit on rvr and bet and the guy folds..
I muck my hand and the dealer says, "Man it must be nice to bet your gutshot then hit it."
w.
t.
f.
He then proceeds to deal the cash game until having his shift switched with another dealer he leaves for an hour to come back with a few friends.
He then calls out another persons hand, and the dealer he switched with says "wow there is that uncanny ability you have again, I've seen you do this night after night, it's just scary."
His reply, "Ya it is but as always I'll just blow it on some stupid hand where I know I'm beat and just screw it/pay it off anyhow."
ya ok
I then raise/double barrel against someone w/ 9dTd on A37Jr and give up on rvr and the dealer/player calls my hand again, "you've nine ten" he says.
I show my hand...

I ask him since he has such an uncanny ability why is he not at the highest level game?
"Because he is fucking retarded" an ex marine/dealer quickly says
hmm
So I remember seeing a video I downloaded on thepokerbay when I first started explaining alot of cheating techniques, one technique in particular being marking the cards with invisible ink and wearing contacts or glasses to see what they are.
Seems like it could easily be what I'm dealing with here.
My question and reason for creating this is because I'm wondering if anyone knows more on the invisible ink stuff and can save me some time or give me some good insight?

For those wondering the conclusion of the night was the obvious hope to rape the fresh meat out of some money totally backfired as they were so bad at it and were total obvious that I ended the night with about $900 in a 1/3 game (almost everyone was shortstacked) and the cute hostess chic with a happy knowing smile towards me the whole night once she saw me up to 700 told me she will be there again on Saturday night and I should come back. I might, just to beat them at their own game again, but I want to be better prepared

just post in your blog and brag openly like a man if you want to brag that you won money playing poker. ROFL at typing all that bollocks and putting in BOLD "My question and reason for creating this is because I'm wondering if anyone knows more on the invisible ink stuff and can save me some time or give me some good insight?" YEAH IM SURE THATS WHY U MADE THE THREAD FOR THAT QUESTION AND GOOD WORK ON "BEATING THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME" THAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING THEY WERE ALL CHEATING AGAINST YOU THATS WHY NOBODY PLAYED THEIR HANDS CORRECTLY AGAINST YOU AND THE DEALER TRIED TO GIVE IT AWAY BY TELLING YOU, ELEMENTARY MY DEAR FKING WATSON WTF KILL YOURSELF

that's really the conclusion you came to ket?
you think the MAIN purpose of that WHOLE post was to say hey I won 900$?

dumb reasoning/deduction but ok

let me help u understand my actions ket

-I didn't post in a blog because this was interesting to me and I didn't want it to get bumped out of sight after 5 other ppl post a blog
-I put the question and reason in bold because that was my main purpose for the whole thing, and I wanted it to stand out and not be ignored
-I put the conclusion to let u know the game ended on a good note for me instead of the other way around and ya sorry it felt good I should be ashamed right?

I've played more than one live game before
this was the most interesting game/situation I've ever been in tho

it was a fun read so i dont care what ur goal was =)

Ket dude you read too much in between the lines and too little of the lines themselves.

Totally blown off on the dude because of your opinion which I doubt is accurate in the current case.

On September 03 2008 15:13 Ket wrote: just post in your blog and brag openly like a man if you want to brag that you won money playing poker. ROFL at typing all that bollocks and putting in BOLD "My question and reason for creating this is because I'm wondering if anyone knows more on the invisible ink stuff and can save me some time or give me some good insight?" YEAH IM SURE THATS WHY U MADE THE THREAD FOR THAT QUESTION AND GOOD WORK ON "BEATING THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME" THAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING THEY WERE ALL CHEATING AGAINST YOU THATS WHY NOBODY PLAYED THEIR HANDS CORRECTLY AGAINST YOU AND THE DEALER TRIED TO GIVE IT AWAY BY TELLING YOU, ELEMENTARY MY DEAR FKING WATSON WTF KILL YOURSELF

i've never seen ket mad, and this is on the internet, but wtf i'm scared.

thanks D_Zoo for the compliment
I am hoping actually to discuss and maybe learn something about live cheating tho
it really isn't a brag post
I'm going to look up stuff on cheating with invisible ink etc
would you guys continue playing in such a game?


instant messenger conversation that I am posting to give more insight:

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you should be happy he didn't turn your hands over from the much to prove himself right    

d5:22 PM
was the most interesting game I've ever been to
5:27 PM
well I dunno
5:27 PM
the whole thing makes me think and wonder

z5:28 PM
about being cheated?

d5:28 PM
about the whole thing ya
5:28 PM
how far up it went
5:28 PM
if it was actually cheating

z5:28 PM
did you win?

d5:28 PM
yes

z5:29 PM
hmm with my near zero live experience I think I'm not of much help here

d5:30 PM
ya, I was gonna hit u up about it last night when I came home
5:30 PM
as the details where fresh
5:30 PM
I slept on it, but I keep thinking about it
5:30 PM
if I should go there again

z5:30 PM
missed me by 15 mins
5:31 PM
is it a normal casino?

d5:31 PM
lol
5:31 PM
no casinos are illegal in texas
5:31 PM
its a "unknown" cash game
5:31 PM
an*

z5:32 PM
as long as you win and they don't want to raise the stakes suddenly, you can continue playing I guess

d5:33 PM
well people that are willing to do this might take it to a higher level than just money
5:33 PM
if they keep getting beat

z5:34 PM
what higher level are you refering to?

d5:34 PM
violence

z5:34 PM
ok, was on the right track

d5:35 PM
like I said, this wasn't a casino
5:35 PM
(sorry if I'm not all here, everyones up and at it all around me atm)

z5:35 PM
np

d5:35 PM
and I'm waiting for the high stakes reg that decided to be an asshole in reply to my thread to reply

z5:40 PM
oh and congrats on the nice score btw

d5:43 PM
thanks, it was nice to walk away from that one a winner
5:43 PM
more than any other
5:43 PM
actually

z5:43 PM
why's that

d5:43 PM
heh
5:43 PM
because if they were trying to cheat me

z5:43 PM
they did a piss poor job

d5:43 PM
all the looks I was getting from dealers in the smoking room with a big glass
5:44 PM
the looks I was getting from the waitress girl
5:44 PM
the fact that the guy that ran the place said a half jokingly comment that the reason there were so many ppl there was because he sent them a text saying I was there
5:44 PM
(fresh meat)
5:44 PM
and the fresh meat won
5:44 PM
not only won but annihilated
5:45 PM
it was very good to come out of that ahead

z5:45 PM
of course

d5:45 PM
hmm

z5:47 PM
did you see any soft play between the other guys?

d6:10 PM
yes totally
6:11 PM
between about 3 of them there was tons of soft play

z6:11 PM
ok then you would probably not see me again in there
6:12 PM
to me the risk doesn't justify the reward in this case
6:12 PM
taking the other factors you mentioned earlier into account

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but they are just so bad I'm srsly tempted

yaya...brag post just write a blog ok?

about that ink shit I really doubt it but if you're so paranoid ask Polaroid

The whole ink thing isnt really intended to mark cards with the kind of specificity you would need to make proper calls in poker. I thought people just marked high cards and low cards for blackjack, so you have a range to bet with. Either way you realize if you ever got caught you would get killed outside the table in the parking lot right?

why would the dealer cheat... LOL?

On September 03 2008 15:13 Ket wrote: just post in your blog and brag openly like a man if you want to brag that you won money playing poker. ROFL at typing all that bollocks and putting in BOLD "My question and reason for creating this is because I'm wondering if anyone knows more on the invisible ink stuff and can save me some time or give me some good insight?" YEAH IM SURE THATS WHY U MADE THE THREAD FOR THAT QUESTION AND GOOD WORK ON "BEATING THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME" THAT WAS PROBABLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING THEY WERE ALL CHEATING AGAINST YOU THATS WHY NOBODY PLAYED THEIR HANDS CORRECTLY AGAINST YOU AND THE DEALER TRIED TO GIVE IT AWAY BY TELLING YOU, ELEMENTARY MY DEAR FKING WATSON WTF KILL YOURSELF

wtf...

On September 03 2008 18:13 Baal wrote: why would the dealer cheat... LOL?

are u kidding?

I don't think you guys realize how specific this guy was calling ppls cards, more than once...he did this about a dozen times in 5 hours, and not like oh you have a small pcket pair, he would say sixes, and be right - everytime

I am not saying 100% for sure he was cheating and had the cards marked, but there were definite signs of it, and I'd like to get more information about it

but obv not here =[

hi lachlan

oh and encase I was misread let me reiterate
the dealer ended his shift, and came back with 2 of his friends who all definitely softplayed each other, and none of them bought in full

I don't know if they couldn't as $300 would be to much to risk or they just chose not to

lol omg wtf.

it's just logical deductive thinking based on prev action, image, history, tells etc.

I remember some dude jokingly called me a psychic for a good 2 months at my local card room. It's not uncommon to call out the most likely holding in his range and be right sometimes... lol

Is this some underground card room?
Did his friends win money?

if he was cheating you would never know...

ya it's an underground card room
actually I think the 3 broke about even

and no YoMeR trust me this was more than deductive reasoning
never saw the dealer before in my life, I hadn't played 5 hands in the tourney and it was the very first one I played when he says it must be nice to bet the turn and hit your gutshot when I had 6c9c in position on a 3T8Q 7 river
I'm talking exacts, not a "oh he has either this or this"
and the dealer that took his place says he does it all the time and I was witness to it at least a dozen in 5 hours

but w/e lets move along as I feel I'm

here

lol

remember potripper?

cheaters don't always do a good job of keeping it a secret

if you're thinking "YEAH OK THE DEALER TRIED TO GIVE IT AWAY BY TELLING YOU, ELEMENTARY MY DEAR FKING WATSON WTF KILL YOURSELF"

then just lol