[NL200] Overbet 4 value vs Fish ?

what if you pot then he raises ? (deep?)

On November 30 2011 14:16 CCMoz wrote: what if you pot then he raises ? (deep?)

yeah sure, lets just think about something that happens less then 1 in 50 times

this isnt the overbet spot...this is the bet 68 and get called spot
you dont want to alarm bell him when he is so likely to call you otherwise

pretty bad overbet spot imo

On November 30 2011 22:44 Fayth wrote: pretty bad overbet spot imo

Still a bad spot if the river is a blank `?

lol just 3/4 pot

people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more.

On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote: people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more.

so many people don't know how to play vs fish tho

On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote: people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more.

thats a really bad way to think about it imo.

As stroggoz said most people dont know how to play optimal against fish.

Lets say against this fish my edge ist 12BB/100, if i get into a similar spot, i would go 2 bb bigger on the flop, pot is bigger on the turn i can go a couple of bb more on the turn and some more on the river thats like 14 BB !!!! more profit right there.

And most people just 3/4 it all the way and dont even think about it afterwards.

All in all i think instead of working hours and hours on your game vs regs to find that 0.5ptbb/100 extra edge vs tough opponents which usually comes with a lot of variance you can take a couple of minutes here in there to find ways how you can improve your play vs fish.

RESULTS: HERO BETS 58$, villian calls with Th5h

i'd say you got very good value

body - you play like 10x more hands vs regs then fish, increasing your edge by any amount will multiply significantly in the long run

On December 01 2011 11:45 the_body wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote: people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. thats a really bad way to think about it imo. As stroggoz said most people dont know how to play optimal against fish. Lets say against this fish my edge ist 12BB/100, if i get into a similar spot, i would go 2 bb bigger on the flop, pot is bigger on the turn i can go a couple of bb more on the turn and some more on the river thats like 14 BB !!!! more profit right there. And most people just 3/4 it all the way and dont even think about it afterwards. All in all i think instead of working hours and hours on your game vs regs to find that 0.5ptbb/100 extra edge vs tough opponents which usually comes with a lot of variance you can take a couple of minutes here in there to find ways how you can improve your play vs fish.

pretty much all wrong for many reasons,

also, any good/strong thinking player, knows how to play vs fishs, you are mostly talking about bad robotic regs who nobody gives a fuck about and who probably don't post on forums.

your thought process for the hand you explain is correct, but talking about it on a forum in 2011 is about 4 years too late, at least, if people here haven't understood that by now, they are already dead

On December 01 2011 13:20 TalentedTom wrote: body - you play like 10x more hands vs regs then fish, increasing your edge by any amount will multiply significantly in the long run

this


+ move up, stronger player, etc.

you need some kind of thought process beyond "overbet because he is a fish" , personally it looks like a pretty bad spot to overbet.

On December 02 2011 06:01 careface_ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2011 11:45 the_body wrote:   On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote: people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. thats a really bad way to think about it imo. As stroggoz said most people dont know how to play optimal against fish. Lets say against this fish my edge ist 12BB/100, if i get into a similar spot, i would go 2 bb bigger on the flop, pot is bigger on the turn i can go a couple of bb more on the turn and some more on the river thats like 14 BB !!!! more profit right there. And most people just 3/4 it all the way and dont even think about it afterwards. All in all i think instead of working hours and hours on your game vs regs to find that 0.5ptbb/100 extra edge vs tough opponents which usually comes with a lot of variance you can take a couple of minutes here in there to find ways how you can improve your play vs fish. pretty much all wrong for many reasons, also, any good/strong thinking player, knows how to play vs fishs, you are mostly talking about bad robotic regs who nobody gives a fuck about and who probably don't post on forums. your thought process for the hand you explain is correct, but talking about it on a forum in 2011 is about 4 years too late, at least, if people here haven't understood that by now, they are already dead

thx for all the love :-)

Put him on 9 - Q of heart and bet the amount you think will call that, make it $49,50

Awh man, I always post before reading what other people write. Crap, I lost value there!! Roarrr

thx

just keep going pot pot pot and you'll make a ton of money ;D

On January 06 2012 23:02 YoMeR wrote: just keep going pot pot pot and you'll make a ton of money ;D

this!