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PoorUser  United States. Nov 30 2011 12:04. Posts 7472 | | | |
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Oly United Kingdom. Nov 30 2011 12:07. Posts 3585 | | |
It is definitely a classic spot for an overbet, but the problem I find is that the chance of losing the value of a guaranteed snapcall if you go 4/5 pot is just too painful to me. I'd prefer to bank the call with a normal big bet in this spot. If, just for illustration, he calls a 4/5 pot bet 100% of the time then you need him to call a 1.5x pot at least 70% of the time for it to be better, which is just too high for me - I prefer to bank the call rather than get greedy in this particular spot. |
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el_tilon Canada. Nov 30 2011 14:34. Posts 296 | | |
shove this villain is probably tilted. |
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keep betting big ;-0 profit |
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CCMoz United Kingdom. Nov 30 2011 15:16. Posts 925 | | |
what if you pot then he raises ? (deep?) |
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| | On November 30 2011 14:16 CCMoz wrote:
what if you pot then he raises ? (deep?) |
yeah sure, lets just think about something that happens less then 1 in 50 times |
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Minsk United States. Nov 30 2011 19:44. Posts 1558 | | |
this isnt the overbet spot...this is the bet 68 and get called spot
you dont want to alarm bell him when he is so likely to call you otherwise |
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Fayth Canada. Nov 30 2011 23:44. Posts 10085 | | |
pretty bad overbet spot imo |
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| | On November 30 2011 22:44 Fayth wrote:
pretty bad overbet spot imo |
Still a bad spot if the river is a blank `? |
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careface_ Canada. Dec 01 2011 03:56. Posts 788 | | | |
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careface_ Canada. Dec 01 2011 03:57. Posts 788 | | |
people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. |
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Dec 01 2011 04:38. Posts 5365 | | |
| | On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote:
people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. |
so many people don't know how to play vs fish tho |
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| | On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote:
people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. |
thats a really bad way to think about it imo.
As stroggoz said most people dont know how to play optimal against fish.
Lets say against this fish my edge ist 12BB/100, if i get into a similar spot, i would go 2 bb bigger on the flop, pot is bigger on the turn i can go a couple of bb more on the turn and some more on the river thats like 14 BB !!!! more profit right there.
And most people just 3/4 it all the way and dont even think about it afterwards.
All in all i think instead of working hours and hours on your game vs regs to find that 0.5ptbb/100 extra edge vs tough opponents which usually comes with a lot of variance you can take a couple of minutes here in there to find ways how you can improve your play vs fish.
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RESULTS: HERO BETS 58$, villian calls with Th5h |
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i'd say you got very good value |
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body - you play like 10x more hands vs regs then fish, increasing your edge by any amount will multiply significantly in the long run |
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careface_ Canada. Dec 02 2011 07:01. Posts 788 | | |
| | On December 01 2011 11:45 the_body wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 02:57 careface_ wrote:
people should start posting more hands vs good/strong opponents and not vs fishes, it's retarded to discuss strategy vs a fish, it's a 1 liner response at best. Posting hands vs tough opposition would open minds a lot more. |
thats a really bad way to think about it imo.
As stroggoz said most people dont know how to play optimal against fish.
Lets say against this fish my edge ist 12BB/100, if i get into a similar spot, i would go 2 bb bigger on the flop, pot is bigger on the turn i can go a couple of bb more on the turn and some more on the river thats like 14 BB !!!! more profit right there.
And most people just 3/4 it all the way and dont even think about it afterwards.
All in all i think instead of working hours and hours on your game vs regs to find that 0.5ptbb/100 extra edge vs tough opponents which usually comes with a lot of variance you can take a couple of minutes here in there to find ways how you can improve your play vs fish.
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pretty much all wrong for many reasons,
also, any good/strong thinking player, knows how to play vs fishs, you are mostly talking about bad robotic regs who nobody gives a fuck about and who probably don't post on forums.
your thought process for the hand you explain is correct, but talking about it on a forum in 2011 is about 4 years too late, at least, if people here haven't understood that by now, they are already dead
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careface_ Canada. Dec 02 2011 07:05. Posts 788 | | |
| | On December 01 2011 13:20 TalentedTom wrote:
body - you play like 10x more hands vs regs then fish, increasing your edge by any amount will multiply significantly in the long run |
this
+ move up, stronger player, etc.
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EvilSky Czech Republic. Dec 02 2011 12:15. Posts 8918 | | |
you need some kind of thought process beyond "overbet because he is a fish" , personally it looks like a pretty bad spot to overbet. |
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