Interesting deep 10/20 hand.

Too scared to post almost, but I once heard, if people call on that flop, its never monsters almost!! what a scary spot lol

why are you always so deep
lol

Like nolan, I thought we had 99 after reading this thread like 3 times

Are u guys serious? I agree this play on j98 is not so great but on k98 2 tone NOT c/ring 98 and betting turn has got to be a huge mistake with this kind of history and image. I love our play and our hand up until the point we get raised, then I dont love love it but still don't mind shipping here.

On August 09 2011 13:41 n0rthf4ce wrote: Are u guys serious? I agree this play on j98 is not so great but on k98 2 tone NOT c/ring 98 and betting turn has got to be a huge mistake with this kind of history and image. I love our play and our hand up until the point we get raised, then I dont love love it but still don't mind shipping here.

Was kinda my view too. Hand was played by my roommate GoGators. He mistype txt'd me that the flop was J-9-8, but then later told me it was K-9-8. Editted the hand for good discussion.

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gogators is the man

meh villain not raising the turn makes it ez ship

i mean obv yea, we had a lot of discussion about his turn plan thou. He runs too good to ever get into this spot thou lol

on a J98hh i dont think you ever ever get into a spot where villain raises turn ( thats why originally i thought itd be a retard bluff with KQ or K10 most of the time). on a K98 i think it happens a lot more of the time, and unfortunately you're gonna be beat a pretty large % of the time but not enough to make it a fold. i think these kinds of spots in live poker are a lot easier to deal with because when faced with a huge decision it matters a ton to see how your opponent is acting.

First time posting here love the discussion. I am more a tourney sng player than cash but getting better at cash lately. Play 5-10 (is this nl 1000?) at the Borgata in AC and online a bit but somewhat new to these stakes, so forgive me if my analysis is way off.

K98 to me is obv c/r about same amount too on flop. Bottom 2 really isn't great so if I take it on flop great if not I am bombing the turn on a safe card.

What stuns me is how many posters hate c/r on j98 board. I love c/r here because my hand figures to be best now but board is super draw heavy. If you lead out and villain calls you learn nothing. If you lead out and tilted villain raises, you learn nothing and play the rest of the hand oop and villain has taken over control and will bomb turn and maybe river. You wind up being a station with 2 pair on a scary as hell board. Unless plan is to 3bet flop very hard if villain raises?

To me c/c is really bad here. Our hand is likely ahead now but there are tons of really bad cards for us. I want to take this pot on the flop I am not slow playing bottom 2 on a ridiculously draw heavy board. I am not looking for villain to call of 12k with 1 pair. I want to protect my pot and take it down before something bad happens. That is just me though I guess. On j98 flop from initial post I am c/r but a lot more total bet at least 2200 maybe 2500. Villain is going to have to be serious to call that bet IMO. If he shoves he shoves and I have to make a decision based on read. He won't donk call kq kt here is my thinking because he knows I am bombing the turn. If he flats and safe turn like 5 I am leading out 4k and that should do it. If he shoves over that it sucks but you are beat unless villain is high and doesnt care about losing 12k on one hand of poker. Said he is younger right? Guessing 12k means a bit to him maybe not.

Anyway that's my take. On that board I am not looking to milk villain dry. I am looking to take it before the turn is a Q, T, J, 7, or 3rd of a suit.

Last thing... Villain does not have aa kk qq here. Almost certrainly villain 3bets flop there ESP if tilting. Would aa just smooth and risk super scary turn? Heck no that is suicidal.

On August 17 2011 18:34 Blakjaks wrote: First time posting here love the discussion. I am more a tourney sng player than cash but getting better at cash lately. Play 5-10 (is this nl 1000?) at the Borgata in AC and online a bit but somewhat new to these stakes, so forgive me if my analysis is way off. K98 to me is obv c/r about same amount too on flop. Bottom 2 really isn't great so if I take it on flop great if not I am bombing the turn on a safe card. What stuns me is how many posters hate c/r on j98 board. I love c/r here because my hand figures to be best now but board is super draw heavy. If you lead out and villain calls you learn nothing. If you lead out and tilted villain raises, you learn nothing and play the rest of the hand oop and villain has taken over control and will bomb turn and maybe river. You wind up being a station with 2 pair on a scary as hell board. Unless plan is to 3bet flop very hard if villain raises? To me c/c is really bad here. Our hand is likely ahead now but there are tons of really bad cards for us. I want to take this pot on the flop I am not slow playing bottom 2 on a ridiculously draw heavy board. I am not looking for villain to call of 12k with 1 pair. I want to protect my pot and take it down before something bad happens. That is just me though I guess. On j98 flop from initial post I am c/r but a lot more total bet at least 2200 maybe 2500. Villain is going to have to be serious to call that bet IMO. If he shoves he shoves and I have to make a decision based on read. He won't donk call kq kt here is my thinking because he knows I am bombing the turn. If he flats and safe turn like 5 I am leading out 4k and that should do it. If he shoves over that it sucks but you are beat unless villain is high and doesnt care about losing 12k on one hand of poker. Said he is younger right? Guessing 12k means a bit to him maybe not. Anyway that's my take. On that board I am not looking to milk villain dry. I am looking to take it before the turn is a Q, T, J, 7, or 3rd of a suit. Last thing... Villain does not have aa kk qq here. Almost certrainly villain 3bets flop there ESP if tilting. Would aa just smooth and risk super scary turn? Heck no that is suicidal.

Where is mig? Nominate this for HS ban imo

was this vs albert?

Yea, u know Albert?

J89 we have a semi-discussion (given reads and history is a snap shove) on K89x double suited in a 3bet pot 30 bazillion buy-ins 89 is nuts.

You guys overvalue 89 here.

good contribution

where this hand was played? just wondering...

first of all if u know the table (observation) its ok to play 8 9 suited after reraise.but if not i would see the first mistake there.then after flop u should bet since it is obvious that button will if its 3 way and everybody checks.and that puts u on guessing side(u dont want that happen unless u r guessing how much they will call lol).but since he called ur raise i wouldnt recomend to bet after turn less then a pot size.i would rather check or bet stronger.the thing he was on button and reraised preflop can mean Ax suited or some pair(medium,small,possibly top 3).only card u can be scared of at the moment is JJ.but again to repeat myself if u dont know players u play with on the online table u cant go 89 UTG.i recomend to do it after ike 1-2 hours on table if it didnt change up too much.and u didnt say how many chips he has.just he has covered all.that can mean from 12k-........!

sry i forgtot to say what should u do........go all innnnnnnn.u cant get much better board for ur hand and tehre is lot of drawing possibilities.5 havent helped much but i dont think he would call raise on flop with 6 7 since 10 would be scary card for him too.all in or fold but morelikelly all in

^ this guy did not even post at the » Introduce Yourself! > thread, > straight to trolling