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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 07:19. Posts 15163 | | |
This is very simples,
If you were to script your thought process for every single hand, what would that include on each street?
e.g.
1. Pre-Flop
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HOW STRONG IS MY HAND?
What's my position?
What is the action before/after me?
What might the hand ranges of the opposition be and what is the probability that he has a draw or made hand?
From where is the action coming?
ACTION AND REACTIONS
(in relation to hand strength, action position (oop, ip), opponent type, odds/outs, pot size)
Questions in this context could be:
Does my hand have an equity advantage against the opponents behind me?
Does my hand have an equity advantage against the opponents in before me?
Does my hand have good implied odds?
REPERTOIRE OF ACTIONS
Fold
Call/Openlimp
Raise
Isolation raise
Complete for the Blinds
Coldcall
(Delaytheory Blind play)
2. Flop
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HOW STRONG IS MY HAND?
In relation to the board texture?
What was the action pre-flop and from which players (player types and weak spots)?
What will be the action based on the handranges of the opposition and what is the probability that he has a draw or made hand?
How is my position and how many players are seeing the flop?
What does the action look like behind/before me?
ACTION AND REACTIONS
(in relation to hand strength, action position (oop, ip), opponent type, odds/outs, pot size)
Questions in this context could be:
Is the flop connected?
Is the flop 2/3 suited or rainbow?
How many high cards are in the flop?
Is the flop paired (high or low?)?
Do I need to protect my hand?
Can I take or give a freecard without thinking about it?
Does it make sense to buy the initiative or give it up?
Is there a chance that my opposition will fold to a single bet/check or raise?
Is the opposition's weakspot already showing on the flop?
REPERTOIRE OF ACTIONS
Standard moves
Protection
Freecardraise
Fold
Donk
Slowplay
Valueraisen
Bluffbet
Calldown
3. Turn
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HOW STRONG IS MY HAND?
In relation to the board texture?
What was the action pre-flop, flop, and from which players (player types and weak spots)?
What will be the action based on the handranges of the opposition and what is the probability that he has a draw or made hand?
How is my position and how many players are seeing the turn?
What does the action look like behind/before me?
ACTION AND REACTIONS
(in relation to hand strength, action position (oop, ip), opponent type, odds/outs, pot size)
Questions in this context could be:
How great is the chance that I'm ahead?
Did the turncard complete any possible draws or open new ones?
Why and with what might the opposition have called the flop?
Will the opposition fold to just one bet?
Do I need to protect my made hand or can I risk a freecard?
Is the opposition tricky, for example prone to making semi-bluffs?
What is the chance that the opposition raises with a worse hand?
What is the chance that the opposition raises with a better hand?
Can I make an easy call/fold/reraise against a raise?
What does my opponent think my hand range is?
Is the opposition able to think about both my hand and his own on a metalevel (I think that you think that I think...)
REPERTOIRE OF ACTIONS
Raise for free Showdown
Check/Raise (Valueraise/Semibluff)
Donkbet
Bet/Raise
Check/Fold
Slowplay
Protection
Check behind (Induce a bluff)
Calldown
4. River
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HOW STRONG IS MY HAND?
In relation to the board texture?
What was the action pre-flop, flop, turn, and from which players (player types and weak spots)?
What will be the action based on the handranges of the opposition and what is the probability that he has a draw or made hand?
How is my position and how many players are seeing the river?
What does the action look like behind/before me?
ACTION AND REACTIONS
(in relation to hand strength, action position (oop, ip), opponent type, odds/outs, pot size)
Questions in this context could be:
How great is the chance that the opposition calls with a worse hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition calls with a better hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition bluffs the river with a worse hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition raises with a better hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition raises with a worse hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition folds with a worse hand?
How great is the chance that the opposition folds with a better hand?
REPERTOIRE OF ACTIONS
Bet/fold (thin Valuebets)
Bet/raise
Bet/call
Check/call (Induce a bluff)
Check/fold (no Showdown value)
Check/raise (rarely!)
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-the one above is from ps
and/or what would you add to the one above?
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TheHuHu3   United States. May 29 2011 07:42. Posts 5544 | | |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 08:26. Posts 15163 | | |
Might as well put in the article body fromp ps, maybe you dont get it.
I just wanted to get some input from real pros, not those shady Germans 
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Many players are familiar with the following situation: you're playing at 4 or more tables, focused on implementing your theoretical knowledge as efficiently as possible. After just a short time, you find yourself playing below par and more or less avoiding all the strenuous thought processes that are necessary to play the hand optimally. You fall into a lacklustre routine, neglecting the reaction from the opposition or the texture of the board, missing important valuebets and giving up freecards.
The following article does not aim to reinvent the wheel, rather it is meant to suggest a method for applying what is already known to the greatest effect. For this reason, it is directed at players who already have good theoretical knowledge of the concepts discussed. This article cannot compensate for a lack of theory!
So as to avoid undermining the complex decision making needed throughout a hand, I prepare a script for myself that I run through mentally. At first it will be difficult to remember all the factors, or to categorize the situation correctly and react accordingly, but the more you practice this kind of analytical thinking the more automated this process will become.
Psychologists in the field of learning assume that a large portion of people exhibit what are more or less complex scripts in their behavior, assignments, and demands in all areas of their work – and also in their social life. I maintain that in poker too, scripting can give many players a performance boost.
Scripting is not a fully automated, unquestionable process; it's more about a dynamic approach that does have boundaries. And here you must deepen your understanding of poker theory and post unclear or difficult hands.
The scripting process outlined below is far from ideal, however it's enough to give you an idea of the questions and difficulties that arise from different hand situations.
Applications
A few notes on practical application: as indicated, many players already ask themselves the questions below, particularly at the beginning of a session. The goal must be to think of these questions in every hand, even after 4 hours of "8tabling". It can be helpful to reduce the number of tables so that you can think through every hand in all it's complexity, thus automating the essential questions and factors. If you feel overwhelmed, you can print a list of these and other factors and have them ready for the concrete in-game situation. Working on your own list seems sensible, since this refreshes your old theory and brings it into a meaningful context.
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Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol | Last edit: 29/05/2011 19:02 |
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 17:14. Posts 15163 | | |
yeah very funny guys, it's getting a bit stale thought after dog's ownage. Is this really such a stupid Idea from them? The author's reasoning sounded somewhat logical |
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Ket   United Kingdom. May 29 2011 17:33. Posts 8665 | | |
u have good intentions lemon but you obviously made a mistake when u came to liquidpoker for srs poker discussion
look at this place lol |
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why you make fun of him? I think this sounds very reasonable and thinking about theoretical concepts will certainly improve your overall conciousness of the game, if you udnerstand what I mean but don't stick to much to only theory.. in the end every hand is different.. also Id concentrate on the game flow and meta game more... things I might add to this is timing how can you use timing and image |
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lp is not what it used to be, its just a fking zoo with tons of trolls |
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lp quickly on its way to being bodybuilding's misc forum
aka massive fail 
--sick thread got massive raped, I don't wanna get raped daddy, here's a reply
I thought about the scripting idea back a while ago when I was playing. One problem/demerit to the idea is when you write it down in this text, list format and then try to read your script back into your head as a "thought process" to be memorized, you lose something in translation. If you're playing live and action comes to you, your first thought on your script is "what is my position" and whoops you aren't paying attention to your opponent anymore and you miss a tell or interrupt your natural thinking that was already working on his handrange or w/e.
I dunno just throwing shit out there.. I am not sure what to think of it.
I could see a benefit from reading another player's way of thinking if someone bothered to write it out like that. Maybe they regularly think of an option that you don't even have in your mental database? I definitely see merit in that..
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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 18:36. Posts 15163 | | |
I dunno, I got quite used to it, if you filter the noise there is still good advice and discussion here, my last thread had some excellent advice which I am drawing upon. making this thread took me some 3 minutes so no biggie.
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traxamillion   United States. May 29 2011 18:46. Posts 10468 | | |
4 tables = fail. I play worse these days on 6 tables than 12 game is too easy shit gets too boring |
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traxamillion   United States. May 29 2011 18:48. Posts 10468 | | |
some long thought processes in the op. mine go more like this.
1. pre-flop: my turn to act? raise. ok what are my cards.
2. flop: pot
3. turn: pot
4: river: any reason not to shove? nope. shove
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NeillyJQ   United States. May 29 2011 19:14. Posts 8947 | | |
lol, thought process is important, game flow is important, but mostly just put them on ranges and bet / check / raise accordingly, its so player dependent that a post like this is really not to the advantage of anyone.
Player dependency is so important here.
GL,
LP lol@u 
Ryan
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cariadon   Estonia. May 29 2011 19:16. Posts 4019 | | |
Lemon taking the forums by storm. I for one am tired of his shit. Might aswell make a blogpost or something. As far as advice goes, take time to think about your actions while playing a hand.
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cariadon   Estonia. May 29 2011 19:33. Posts 4019 | | |
Guess i'd better start making weekly threads that take me 3 minutes to express myself instead of trading valid advice for a small stab. |
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