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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 07:19. Posts 15163

This is very simples,

If you were to script your thought process for every single hand, what would that include on each street?

e.g.
1. Pre-Flop
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2. Flop
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3. Turn
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4. River
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and/or what would you add to the one above?

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TheHuHu3   United States. May 29 2011 07:42. Posts 5544

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hellokittery   United States. May 29 2011 07:46. Posts 1399

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 08:26. Posts 15163

Might as well put in the article body fromp ps, maybe you dont get it.
I just wanted to get some input from real pros, not those shady Germans

 
Many players are familiar with the following situation: you're playing at 4 or more tables, focused on implementing your theoretical knowledge as efficiently as possible. After just a short time, you find yourself playing below par and more or less avoiding all the strenuous thought processes that are necessary to play the hand optimally. You fall into a lacklustre routine, neglecting the reaction from the opposition or the texture of the board, missing important valuebets and giving up freecards.
The following article does not aim to reinvent the wheel, rather it is meant to suggest a method for applying what is already known to the greatest effect. For this reason, it is directed at players who already have good theoretical knowledge of the concepts discussed. This article cannot compensate for a lack of theory!

So as to avoid undermining the complex decision making needed throughout a hand, I prepare a script for myself that I run through mentally. At first it will be difficult to remember all the factors, or to categorize the situation correctly and react accordingly, but the more you practice this kind of analytical thinking the more automated this process will become.

Psychologists in the field of learning assume that a large portion of people exhibit what are more or less complex scripts in their behavior, assignments, and demands in all areas of their work – and also in their social life. I maintain that in poker too, scripting can give many players a performance boost.

Scripting is not a fully automated, unquestionable process; it's more about a dynamic approach that does have boundaries. And here you must deepen your understanding of poker theory and post unclear or difficult hands.

The scripting process outlined below is far from ideal, however it's enough to give you an idea of the questions and difficulties that arise from different hand situations.

Applications
A few notes on practical application: as indicated, many players already ask themselves the questions below, particularly at the beginning of a session. The goal must be to think of these questions in every hand, even after 4 hours of "8tabling". It can be helpful to reduce the number of tables so that you can think through every hand in all it's complexity, thus automating the essential questions and factors. If you feel overwhelmed, you can print a list of these and other factors and have them ready for the concrete in-game situation. Working on your own list seems sensible, since this refreshes your old theory and brings it into a meaningful context.



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dogmeat   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 10:36. Posts 6374

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player999   Brasil. May 29 2011 11:44. Posts 7978

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Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - KapolLast edit: 29/05/2011 19:02

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 17:14. Posts 15163

yeah very funny guys, it's getting a bit stale thought after dog's ownage. Is this really such a stupid Idea from them? The author's reasoning sounded somewhat logical

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Ket    United Kingdom. May 29 2011 17:33. Posts 8665

u have good intentions lemon but you obviously made a mistake when u came to liquidpoker for srs poker discussion

look at this place lol


truffesbio4920   . May 29 2011 17:33. Posts 111

why you make fun of him? I think this sounds very reasonable and thinking about theoretical concepts will certainly improve your overall conciousness of the game, if you udnerstand what I mean but don't stick to much to only theory.. in the end every hand is different.. also Id concentrate on the game flow and meta game more... things I might add to this is timing how can you use timing and image


casinocasino   Canada. May 29 2011 17:43. Posts 3347

lp is not what it used to be, its just a fking zoo with tons of trolls


terrybunny19240   United States. May 29 2011 18:01. Posts 13829

lp quickly on its way to being bodybuilding's misc forum

aka massive fail

--sick thread got massive raped, I don't wanna get raped daddy, here's a reply

I thought about the scripting idea back a while ago when I was playing. One problem/demerit to the idea is when you write it down in this text, list format and then try to read your script back into your head as a "thought process" to be memorized, you lose something in translation. If you're playing live and action comes to you, your first thought on your script is "what is my position" and whoops you aren't paying attention to your opponent anymore and you miss a tell or interrupt your natural thinking that was already working on his handrange or w/e.

I dunno just throwing shit out there.. I am not sure what to think of it.

I could see a benefit from reading another player's way of thinking if someone bothered to write it out like that. Maybe they regularly think of an option that you don't even have in your mental database? I definitely see merit in that..

Will give it a crack when I'm bored tomorrow prolly.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. May 29 2011 18:36. Posts 15163

I dunno, I got quite used to it, if you filter the noise there is still good advice and discussion here, my last thread had some excellent advice which I am drawing upon. making this thread took me some 3 minutes so no biggie.

The ratio of noise to information has somewhat balooned recently though

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traxamillion   United States. May 29 2011 18:46. Posts 10468

4 tables = fail. I play worse these days on 6 tables than 12 game is too easy shit gets too boring


traxamillion   United States. May 29 2011 18:48. Posts 10468

some long thought processes in the op. mine go more like this.

1. pre-flop: my turn to act? raise. ok what are my cards.
2. flop: pot
3. turn: pot
4: river: any reason not to shove? nope. shove

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NeillyJQ   United States. May 29 2011 19:14. Posts 8947

lol, thought process is important, game flow is important, but mostly just put them on ranges and bet / check / raise accordingly, its so player dependent that a post like this is really not to the advantage of anyone.

Player dependency is so important here.

GL,
LP lol@u
Ryan

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ 

cariadon   Estonia. May 29 2011 19:16. Posts 4019

Lemon taking the forums by storm. I for one am tired of his shit. Might aswell make a blogpost or something. As far as advice goes, take time to think about your actions while playing a hand.

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cariadon   Estonia. May 29 2011 19:33. Posts 4019

Guess i'd better start making weekly threads that take me 3 minutes to express myself instead of trading valid advice for a small stab.


 
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