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How bad do you hate this call?

Submitted by : tloapc

PokerStars Game #4444444444: Tournament #404010397, $20+$2 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2011/01/30 17:07:44 CT [2011/01/30 18:07:44 ET]
Table 404010397 15 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: larush68305 (238882 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (190206 in chips)
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (207377 in chips)
Seat 5: noreturnback (240414 in chips)
Seat 6: temka99 (130384 in chips)
Seat 8: Lozi161188 (137296 in chips)
Seat 9: grunt13 (301729 in chips)
larush68305: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts the ante 800
Ringelsdorf: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts the ante 800
temka99: posts the ante 800
Lozi161188: posts the ante 800
grunt13: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts small blind 4000
temka99: posts big blind 8000

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Lozi161188: folds
grunt13: folds
larush68305: folds
Hero: raises 8000 to 16000
Ringelsdorf: raises 9875 to 25875
noreturnback: folds
temka99: folds
Hero: calls 9875

Flop (Pot : $69,350.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 27675
Hero: calls 27675

Turn (Pot : $124,700.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 41225
Hero: calls 41225

River (Pot : $207,150.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 111802 and is all-in
Hero: calls 94631 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17171) returned to Ringelsdorf

so were you thinking preflop "well i got odds gotta call"
then on flop you thought "well only 1/3 pot and i got a pair gotta go with it"
and then on turn you thought "well only 1/3 pot and i got a pair gotta go with it"
and then on river it was like "well I cant keep calling and then folding that river cuz i put him on aq"

or what

I guess I've had reads that'd justify calling this down before but generally im not putting in chips postflop, and if I do then i'm leading out on the flop.

You can't just chuck out some stats for a play like this and wonder if they justify it - no stats can justify it. You may feel it's right with specific reads and a feeling for the dynamic but that's your choice.

You might be able to justify it with reads. Without any I hate it though?

i dont know if i like it, if he 3bets 20%, you should 4bet or fold, there are other ways beat a lagtard?

which one, I see a lot of calls in this hand

river one is... meh, whatever, but why did you get there?

as played, preflop and river are "ok"

flop/turn are pretty bad

On January 30 2011 23:57 Daut wrote: as played, preflop and river are "ok" flop/turn are pretty bad

yep, my thoughts exactly, hate turn the most

not too crazy

I didn't want to just make this thread with a hand history and no info so I added the stats and I felt if I gave my reads at the time then the call becomes easily justified

I was really confident after the flop he was bluffing and timebanked kinda hard on the turn as I was going to shove then said why are you shoving turn if your read is he's bluffing so called and loved seeing the river card that came

Submitted by : tloapc

PokerStars Game #4444444444: Tournament #404010397, $20+$2 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2011/01/30 17:07:44 CT [2011/01/30 18:07:44 ET]
Table 404010397 15 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: larush68305 (238882 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (190206 in chips)
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (207377 in chips)
Seat 5: noreturnback (240414 in chips)
Seat 6: temka99 (130384 in chips)
Seat 8: Lozi161188 (137296 in chips)
Seat 9: grunt13 (301729 in chips)
larush68305: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts the ante 800
Ringelsdorf: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts the ante 800
temka99: posts the ante 800
Lozi161188: posts the ante 800
grunt13: posts the ante 800
noreturnback: posts small blind 4000
temka99: posts big blind 8000

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Lozi161188: folds
grunt13: folds
larush68305: folds
Hero: raises 8000 to 16000
Ringelsdorf: raises 9875 to 25875
noreturnback: folds
temka99: folds
Hero: calls 9875

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $69,350.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 27675
Hero: calls 27675

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $124,700.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 41225
Hero: calls 41225

River (Pot : $207,150.00)

   
Hero: checks
Ringelsdorf: bets 111802 and is all-in
Hero: calls 94631 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17171) returned to Ringelsdorf

Showdown
Ringelsdorf: shows (a pair of Sixes)
Hero: shows (a pair of Sixes - lower kicker)
Ringelsdorf collected 396412 from pot
Hero finished the tournament in 21st place and received $98.30.
Ringelsdorf said, "lol?"

Summary
Total pot 396412 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: larush68305 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 4: Ringelsdorf (button) showed and won (396412) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: noreturnback (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: temka99 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Lozi161188 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: grunt13 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

So considering the chance he's even bluffing with better hands (as seen by the result), your play in this hand is even worse than people thought initially.

Ringelsdorf said, "lol?"

Sick valueshove

On January 31 2011 11:08 Twisted wrote: So considering the chance he's even bluffing with better hands (as seen by the result), your play in this hand is even worse than people thought initially.

now we are getting somewhere =P

haha results

love it

I had to laugh so hard, when i saw results... sorry

I got a chuckle out of the results. But I'm with Drone here on this one.

flop c/r -> chkf -> chkc, probably fold pf too since u sucks