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Badugi: A beginner's guide by Artanis

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Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Jan 01 2009 20:22. Posts 4697

Basic rules
There are three draw rounds in which you can discard as many cards as you wish. The goal is to get the lowest 4 cards of diffrent suits, without pairing your hand. The best hand that's possible is A234 rainbow, after that the best hand is A235r, A345r, A236r, et cetera. Note however that KQJT rainbow beats A234 if the A234 is not of diffrent suits. Pairs negate the diffrent suit.

Basic Strategy - 8max
The first thing that I'm going to discuss is the 8-handed play. The starting hands you want to be playing in general are 3 cards under 8 of diffrent suits, A2 or A3 of diffrent suits (in late position if people folded to you), and all badugi's (a badugi is 4 cards of diffrent suits that isn't paired). You will want to raise all of these hands. If someone raised before you and he is unknown, I would suggest to 3bet whenever you have 3 low cards of 6 and under, or a made badugi. I would flat with hands like A377 though, as they are most valuable as well. Very critical information: In a heads up pot, you should almost always bet if your opponent discarded more cards then you did, regardless of what you drew. Put pressure on him.

Basic Strategy - HU
Obviously, HU is a very villain-dependant game. I would open the button every time I have 2 cards under 7, or 3 cards under T, and obviously any badugi. The key thing is adapting to reads of your opponent. Does he ever stand pat as a bluff? Does he open hands in which he discards 2 cards? This should determine your calling and/or raising range when you're in the bb. I can't say much more about it as it's really all about adapting to your opponent.

Adapting to new information
The most crucial thing to use is information. If someone is standing pat, it generally means he has a made badugi. If you don't have a badugi, you can be quite certain that you're an underdog if you don't haveo ne. This is however where our hand selection comes into play. Say you have A23r3 and villain has 27TJr. We have 3 draws and 7 outs. Depending on the odds, you'll have to decide whether to draw or not. Please note that people are very bad at folding badugi's, even king high ones when their opponent is standing pat, so don't worry about them possibly folding when you hit your badugi and they're standing pat. They'll accomodate.

Folding Badugi's?
There are definitely situations in which you want to fold a badugi. Say you're playing a competent player. He raises UTG and you look down at KT78r and 3bet him. He calls and discards 1 card, you stand pat. He then proceeds to checkraise you after the first draw. This could definitely be a point in which you want to muck your hand since it's unlikely that he will bluff someone that's standing pat. I believe you can fold badugi's up to 9 high with the right read, so don't be shy to fold if you do think you're beat, even though you think you'll look silly for folding after standing pat. Make the right decision!

Common situation
You raise in MP with A255 and get 3bet from the BTN. You call and discard 1 card, BTN discards 1 card too. What should you do here? It depends on the villain. In general, I would opt to checkcall this street and checkraise him after the second draw, assuming you both discarded 1 card on the second draw and you didn't improve. This is because if you both don't improve, you are very likely to have the best hand with a 5-high 3card badugi. This means you're actually a big favorite. I'd also wait until after the second draw because the bets will double as big, so you get to build a pot twice as big. He will also often call a river bet if you discard a card on the third draw simply because he's clueless (most Badugi players still have no clue what they're doing). This depends on what level you're playing at though.


I hope that you've learned something from this article, as it is one of my first for LP. If you have any questions, don't be shy to ask.

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 Last edit: 05/01/2009 11:54

terrybunny19240   United States. Jan 01 2009 20:54. Posts 13829

I am waffling between trying to get reasonably good at this game or continue trying to playing NL. It is actually a fairly interesting game.


mikeymoo   Canada. Jan 01 2009 22:29. Posts 988

Ooh cool, I've been wondering about general strategy for this game for a while. Thank you!

o_O 

Tudazul   Brasil. Jan 01 2009 22:56. Posts 40

Ow, thanks.

One question: card that I discard can be received by another guy or return to me?

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RS_II   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:32. Posts 748

sweet, just started putting some hands in at 1/2

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

Sicks Macks   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:34. Posts 3929

Thanks for this!

Mr. Will Throwit 

RS_II   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:40. Posts 748

fuck this game is not easy!

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

RS_II   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:44. Posts 748

so far -$30 ....

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

RS_II   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:49. Posts 748

this game is tilting the fuck out of me

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

RS_II   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:52. Posts 748

fuck this TILT INDUCING stupiAD !#@%!%^!^% !#@$ASSS GAME

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1Last edit: 02/01/2009 02:01

TheHuHu3   United States. Jan 02 2009 01:56. Posts 5544


  On January 01 2009 19:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basic rules
There are three draw rounds in which you can discard as many cards as you wish. The goal is to get the lowest 4 cards of diffrent suits, without pairing your hand. The best hand that's possible is A234 rainbow, after that the best hand is A235r, A345r, A236r, et cetera. Note however that KQJT rainbow beats A234 if the A234 is not of diffrent suits. Pairs negate the diffrent suit.

Basic Strategy - 8max
The first thing that I'm going to discuss is the 8-handed play. The starting hands you want to be playing in general are 3 cards under 8 of diffrent suits, A2 or A3 of diffrent suits (in late position if people folded to you), and all badugi's (a badugi is 4 cards of diffrent suits that isn't paired). You will want to raise all of these hands. If someone raised before you and he is unknown, I would suggest to 3bet whenever you have 3 low cards of 6 and under, or a made badugi. I would flat with hands like A377 though, as they are most valuable as well. Very critical information: In a heads up pot, you should almost always bet if your opponent discarded more cards then you did, regardless of what you drew. Put pressure on him.

Basic Strategy - HU
Obviously, HU is a very villain-dependant game. I would open the button every time I have 2 cards under 7, or 3 cards under T, and obviously any badugi. The key thing is adapting to reads of your opponent. Does he ever stand pat as a bluff? Does he open hands in which he discards 2 cards? This should determine your calling and/or raising range when you're in the bb. I can't say much more about it as it's really all about adapting to your opponent.

Adapting to new information
The most crucial thing to use is information. If someone is standing pat, it generally means he has a made badugi. If you don't have a badugi, you can be quite certain that you're an underdog if you don't haveo ne. This is however where our hand selection comes into play. Say you have A23r3 and villain has 27TJr. We have 3 draws and 7 outs. Depending on the odds, you'll have to decide whether to draw or not. Please note that people are very bad at folding badugi's, even king high ones when their opponent is standing pat, so don't worry about them possibly folding when you hit your badugi and they're standing pat. They'll accomodate.

Folding Badugi's?
There are definitely situations in which you want to fold a badugi. Say you're playing a competent player. He raises UTG and you look down at KT78r and 3bet him. He calls and discards 1 card, you stand pat. He then proceeds to checkraise you after the first draw. This could definitely be a point in which you want to muck your hand since it's unlikely that he will bluff someone that's standing pat. I believe you can fold badugi's up to 9 high with the right read, so don't be shy to fold if you do think you're beat, even though you think you'll look silly for folding after standing pat. Make the right decision!

Common situation
You raise in MP with A255 and get 3bet from the BTN. You call and discard 1 card, BTN discards 1 card too. What should you do here? It depends on the villain. In general, I would opt to checkcall this street and checkraise him after the second draw, assuming you both discarded 1 card on the second draw and you didn't improve. This is because if you both don't improve, you are very likely to have the best hand with a 5-high 3card badugi. This means you're actually a big favorite. I'd also wait until after the second draw because the bets will double as big, so you get to build a pot twice as big. He will also often call a river bet if you discard a card on the third draw simply because he's clueless (most Badugi players still have no clue what they're doing). This depends on what level you're playing at though.

I hope that you've learned something from this article, as it is one of my first for LP. If you have any questions, don't be shy to ask.



wat

TheHuHu4 coming soon :) 

acdawg712   United States. Jan 02 2009 03:09. Posts 2639

i was doing very well in this game at first, but the last 2 days have been awful. At first, my Jack and Ten hi badugis were winning many pots. Then people started drawing out more often. Also, my 8 and 7 hi badugis were good very often. The last couple days, many of my hands have notched and i am losing some confidence. This guide has helped and I will start posting more hands for help.

phil hellmuth is genuinely a stupid person and he does not understand poker very well at all - [vital]myth 

rANDY   United Kingdom. Jan 02 2009 03:39. Posts 2223

In your first paragraph A245 should be in there as the third best hand^^

nice little guide though, ive played a few hours of this and the players have been very poor, I find it to be very profitable


frenchylucky.   Finland. Jan 02 2009 04:23. Posts 228

thanks for the article, nice read, problem is that in cash game, there is no traffic ( 30 players) and probably 1 fish.
but i have to agree that this game is fun,
stand pat as a bluff is so good when they keep chasing


copsnrobbers   New Zealand. Jan 02 2009 05:26. Posts 76

Submitted by : copsnrobbers

PokerStars Game #23485474041: Badugi Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/01/02 5:14:14 ET
Table Reginita II 8-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Pa_Ohulahan ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Ihsmael ($13.55 in chips)
Seat 3: copsnrobbers ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: migu_r ($7.60 in chips)
Seat 5: epacse ($17.40 in chips)
Seat 6: B0DYPUMP ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Iserl ($10 in chips)
Seat 8: nthedark2 ($8.55 in chips)
Ihsmael: posts small blind $0.10
copsnrobbers: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to copsnrobbers 9h2s8d6c
migu_r: folds
epacse: calls $0.25
B0DYPUMP: folds
Iserl: calls $0.25
nthedark2: folds
Pa_Ohulahan: folds
Ihsmael: calls $0.15
copsnrobbers: raises $0.25 to $0.50
epacse: calls $0.25
Iserl: calls $0.25
Ihsmael: folds

First draw (Pot : $1.75)

copsnrobbers: stands pat on 9h2s8d6c
epacse: discards 2 cards
Iserl: discards 1 card
copsnrobbers: bets $0.25
epacse: calls $0.25
Iserl: calls $0.25

Second draw (Pot : $2.50)

copsnrobbers: stands pat on 9h2s8d6c
epacse: discards 1 card
Iserl: discards 1 card
copsnrobbers: bets $0.50
epacse: calls $0.50
Iserl: folds

Third draw (Pot : $3.50)

copsnrobbers: stands pat on 9h2s8d6c
epacse: discards 1 card
copsnrobbers: checks
epacse: checks

Showdown
copsnrobbers: shows 9h2s8d6c (Badugi: 9,8,6,2)
epacse: mucks hand
copsnrobbers collected $3.35 from pot

Summary
Total pot $3.50 | Rake $0.15
Seat 1: Pa_Ohulahan (button) folded before the Draw (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Ihsmael (small blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 3: copsnrobbers (big blind) showed 9h2s8d6c and won ($3.35) with a Badugi: 9,8,6,2
Seat 4: migu_r folded before the Draw (didnt bet)
Seat 5: epacse mucked Th4h5dAc
Seat 6: B0DYPUMP folded before the Draw (didnt bet)
Seat 7: Iserl folded after the 2nd Draw
Seat 8: nthedark2 folded before the Draw (didnt bet)



how strong is the 9 high badugi here? should i vbet on the last round of betting?

 Last edit: 02/01/2009 05:31

DONKEYLUVIN   United States. Jan 02 2009 05:53. Posts 292

I haven't even played this game, but I'm like 99% sure you should vbet there. I mean just think about it, hes still drawing and you have a 9 high badugi.


SfydjkLm   Belarus. Jan 02 2009 08:16. Posts 3810

Playing this instead of Razz is pretty much like playing Triple Draw instead of HE. Dont

*wink wink* 

terrybunny19240   United States. Jan 02 2009 11:15. Posts 13829

ez valuebet I do believe. definitely wouldn't reraise a raise though


rANDY   United Kingdom. Jan 02 2009 11:17. Posts 2223

definitely worth a river bet cops, especially with him still drawing on the last draw

 Last edit: 02/01/2009 15:05

copsnrobbers   New Zealand. Jan 02 2009 21:52. Posts 76

Ok thanks guys. I played a 550 hand session this morning and I 100% agree. At first I thought people may only put more money in if they hit a good badugi, but they do call with 3 card badugis and worse 4 card badugis all day so yeah im vbetting this every time w/o a read.

Thanks for this guide artanis. In 1 day of playing badugi I've equalled my best day playing nlhe cash games after playing them for a year lol. Up $70


 
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