25NL QQ Line Check

Hey all

Just curious as to how would other LP'ers play this hand. I thought about flatting and reeval turn, but decided to RR to try define my QQ vs his minRR

Submitted by : LiLZhiMiNG

PokerStars Game #22289984738: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/23 8:59:07 ET
Table 'Ilos' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DonBuchy ($25.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Zappas son ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($38.35 in chips)
Seat 4: JHL54 ($33.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Bugzig ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 6: phherr1 ($31.80 in chips)
Seat 7: dreve27 ($16.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Fearnol ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Herkloles ($24.60 in chips)
Herkloles: posts small blind $0.10
DonBuchy: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Zappas son: folds
Hero : raises $0.75 to $1
JHL54: folds
Bugzig: folds
phherr1: calls $1
dreve27: folds
dreve27 leaves the table
Fearnol: folds
Herkloles: folds
DonBuchy: folds

Flop (Pot : $2.35)

   
Hero : bets $1.75
phherr1: raises $1.75 to $3.50
sed71 joins the table at seat #7
Hero : raises $7.50 to $11
phherr1: raises $7.50 to $18.50
Hero : folds
Uncalled bet ($7.50) returned to phherr1
phherr1 collected $23.15 from pot
phherr1: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $24.35 | Rake $1.20
Board  
Seat 1: DonBuchy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Zappas son folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Hero folded on the Flop
Seat 4: JHL54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bugzig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: phherr1 collected ($23.15)
Seat 7: dreve27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Fearnol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Herkloles (small blind) folded before Flop

i call his miniraise and see turn. but fold if he bets big.

Flat and call non-K/T/8/d turn;c/f river ; if you plan to flat and fold to a pot sized bet on the turn, your line is better... most likely he has a set or J9 as played... Giving no info on the vill, I can't tell which line is better tho + I don't play FR (if that matters).

lol @ fox and brobebrato
they both have 30$
so you call turn, you have 10$ behind and then you fold if he bet big?
lol

what was your plan after you reraised him?

I think Fox meant to call his initial minraise of $1.75 and then see a turn, and then on turn if he bets big you can easily fold.

On November 23 2008 10:22 ConquistadoR wrote: I think Fox meant to call his initial minraise of $1.75 and then see a turn, and then on turn if he bets big you can easily fold.

yeah maybe
make sense

On November 23 2008 10:00 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: lol @ fox and brobebrato they both have 30$ so you call turn, you have 10$ behind and then you fold if he bet big? lol what was your plan after you reraised him?

First of all, I said if you're not comfortable calling a turn bet on a brick(even pot sized) better fold flop.

2nd - let's assume vill bets around pot ~9$ - if you call it's 18$ behind ... big difference - it still sucks cuz it's 2/3 of the pot

3rd - no info for the vill - I'm not a fortunecookmaster to know what's the vill playstyle... vs someone i'd deff fold to pot sized bet on the turn even with my weak line...mb I'd fold much more than I think now (to PSB)who knows...(who cares

if you fold turn that mean you call flop
if you call flop you are commited and have to call the turn

you also said
Flat and call non-K/T/8/d turn;c/f river ;


lol

raise more PF?

On November 23 2008 11:42 luddite wrote: raise more PF?

wat

On November 23 2008 11:26 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: if you fold turn that mean you call flop if you call flop you are commited and have to call the turn

ahah, how come we are commited calling his minr on the flop? R u srs ?I said i'd fold to those turns (but most of them complete his hand ...) if he bets 2/3 pot + - he could still be betting tp but he won't bet so strong most of the times but he'll shut it down most of the times on the river - or he'll make a block bet that we can call - I said c/f river if he keeps representing a big hand ( didn't say that, my bad).

phherr1: raises $7.50 to $18.50
+
Hero : raises $0.75 to $1

So you have like 20$ in the pot(so pot is~ 40)
you have 10 behind

yeah sorry, villian was 17/1.2/2.6...I think flatting the first min re raise and reevaluate turn is probably best line, and then folding to any bet larger than ~$6.50...

On November 23 2008 12:23 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: phherr1: raises $7.50 to $18.50 + Hero : raises $0.75 to $1 So you have like 20$ in the pot(so pot is~ 40) you have 10 behind

Ha, lol bro :D you didn't get me, I was talking about flatting his 2bet - as played calling ain't an option for sure :D ... it's either fold or shove... because you can't fold the turn.

On November 23 2008 11:42 luddite wrote: raise more PF?

the usual raise is 4BB + 1 more for each limper before you, that's why people recommended you raise more in your thread

don't 3bet flop if you don't want to felt it because when he reshoves draws and you fold he is forcing you into a huge mistake.

u cant 3bet/fold the flop wtf... and anyway u cant ever fold this flop there are so many draws out its impossible

Theres nothing to reevaluate if you call the flop RR, at best you might get a cheaper showdown just check/calling remaining streets instead of 4betting flop, but cmon villain has to have AA/KK/JJ here. Double minRR is always the nuts. I like it played as is.

I flat call his flop minraise and try to see a cheap showdown. If a third diamond hits and he pots turn, I fold. A flop minraise is not nearly as scary as a turn minraise; he may do this with QJ,KJ,AJ. As played though, I do snap fold to his second minraise. I have NEVER seen a double minraise on the flop not be the nuts.