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Joe   Czech Republic. May 05 2008 05:22. Posts 5987

Submitted by : Joe

PokerStars Game #17215458112: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/05 - 07:17:32 (ET)
Table 'Tristan' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: R4lti ($2188 in chips)
Seat 2: Nutedawg ($2421 in chips)
Seat 3: GHand69 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 4: Joeik ($995 in chips)
Seat 5: Dvornick ($1115 in chips)
Seat 6: Vision82 ($1000 in chips)
Dvornick: posts small blind $5
Vision82: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Joeik KsKd
R4lti: folds
Nutedawg: folds
GHand69: raises $20 to $30
Joeik : raises $90 to $120
Dvornick: folds
Vision82: raises $150 to $270
GHand69: raises $730 to $1000 and is all-in
Joeik : ?



2nd orbit at the table, so no history in this session so far. I perceive Vision82 to be quite a tight player and I barely played with GHand69 before, so no info about him at all.

Thoughts?

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skwigggg   Denmark. May 05 2008 05:57. Posts 34

stove vs QQ+ AK from them both and it's an auto ship in, when you take into account that Vision could be bluffing or value-raising JJ then it's a snap-shove then celebrate


wobbly_au   Australia. May 05 2008 08:40. Posts 6540

all depends on the player... how often they will do that with AK obviously... stove accordingly ~~

The Last Laugh. 

SakiSaki    Sweden. May 05 2008 09:09. Posts 9687

wat? shipship it in fast. With the way 5/10 games are looking this day visions range is definitely not supertight here imo and ghand should know this.

what wackass site is this nigga?  

skwigggg   Denmark. May 05 2008 09:33. Posts 34

I mean we actually have a discussion if it's QsQd not KsKd amirite


Rhaegar    Bulgaria. May 05 2008 09:59. Posts 2586

I fold KK more than most ppl, but unless Vision is a known nit, Id prob call here.

One very suspicious player 

Nazgul    Netherlands. May 05 2008 10:47. Posts 7080

how do they perceive you?

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

Joe   Czech Republic. May 05 2008 10:55. Posts 5987


  On May 05 2008 09:47 Nazgul wrote:
how do they perceive you?



Hm, longterm I play about 23/19 (vpip/pfr) at these stakes. I 3-bet around 7-8% of my hands preflop. But recently (last 2 weeks or something) I have been 3-betting a little more often than before from the co and button position, but I dont think these players played enough with me to notice that. Like I said, I barely played with GHand before. With Vision I played quite enough before, but we werent playing any wars against each other. In this particular session it is maybe 3rd hand I played and no big hands occured before.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

pinbaLL    Sweden. May 05 2008 12:56. Posts 7243

KK 6 handed for 99.5 bbs?!


JDK87   Netherlands. May 05 2008 13:13. Posts 419

This is a joke right?

I seriously don't get why people start overthinking (or becoming result orientated after they get AA thrown in their face, dunno) these type of hands. I mean you're just 100bb deep, unless this guys is some type of sick nit why would you even consider folding? Especially CO vs BU vs blind, I celebrate=>"think a little"=>call while celebrating more...

RaSZi - Unconventional, complete FPS-syndrome and arrogant without ever having achieved anything. 

Joe   Czech Republic. May 05 2008 16:21. Posts 5987

It is NOT a joke obviously.

You ever heard the term "the 2nd best hand"?

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

[vital]Myth    United States. May 05 2008 16:50. Posts 12159

pretty sure you are running into AA around 50% of the time. start from there and it's an easy problem

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

Jamie217   Canada. May 05 2008 17:51. Posts 4351

Vision is rather tight but does 4bet a fairly wide range from my expierence... I know nothing about other player but I am not folding this


JonnyCosMo   United States. May 05 2008 20:47. Posts 7292

What do you guys think I'm going to say?

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

trotyl_TT   Poland. May 27 2008 10:43. Posts 56

well... something starting with n and ending with t propably


lazymej   Canada. May 27 2008 11:53. Posts 2897

So what happened in the end?


Skoal   Canada. May 27 2008 12:38. Posts 460

i see thread title "KK IN SICK SPOT PREFLOP" then i look and joe has less than 1k at a 5/10 table

laff laff laff


mdom   United States. May 27 2008 12:41. Posts 94

dont fold this

this miiiight be a fold with either a solid read on the opner or if he was UTG and you were UTG+1... but here i cant see a fold being good


[vital]Myth    United States. May 27 2008 16:04. Posts 12159


  On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote:
What do you guys think I'm going to say?

you're gonna advise people to get it in with KK against obvious AA and just run good one time

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

RS_II   United States. May 27 2008 18:21. Posts 748


  On May 27 2008 15:04 [vital]Myth wrote:
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you're gonna advise people to get it in with KK against obvious AA and just run good one time



ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! true that

SKoT: I got 99 problems and a bitch aint 1 

 
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