KK in a sick spot preflop

Submitted by : Joe

PokerStars Game #17215458112: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/05 - 07:17:32 (ET)
Table 'Tristan' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: R4lti ($2188 in chips)
Seat 2: Nutedawg ($2421 in chips)
Seat 3: GHand69 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 4: Joeik ($995 in chips)
Seat 5: Dvornick ($1115 in chips)
Seat 6: Vision82 ($1000 in chips)
Dvornick: posts small blind $5
Vision82: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Joeik
R4lti: folds
Nutedawg: folds
GHand69: raises $20 to $30
Joeik : raises $90 to $120
Dvornick: folds
Vision82: raises $150 to $270
GHand69: raises $730 to $1000 and is all-in
Joeik : ?

stove vs QQ+ AK from them both and it's an auto ship in, when you take into account that Vision could be bluffing or value-raising JJ then it's a snap-shove then celebrate

all depends on the player... how often they will do that with AK obviously... stove accordingly ~~

wat? shipship it in fast. With the way 5/10 games are looking this day visions range is definitely not supertight here imo and ghand should know this.

I mean we actually have a discussion if it's QsQd not KsKd amirite

I fold KK more than most ppl, but unless Vision is a known nit, Id prob call here.

how do they perceive you?

On May 05 2008 09:47 Nazgul wrote: how do they perceive you?

Hm, longterm I play about 23/19 (vpip/pfr) at these stakes. I 3-bet around 7-8% of my hands preflop. But recently (last 2 weeks or something) I have been 3-betting a little more often than before from the co and button position, but I dont think these players played enough with me to notice that. Like I said, I barely played with GHand before. With Vision I played quite enough before, but we werent playing any wars against each other. In this particular session it is maybe 3rd hand I played and no big hands occured before.

KK 6 handed for 99.5 bbs?!

This is a joke right?

I seriously don't get why people start overthinking (or becoming result orientated after they get AA thrown in their face, dunno) these type of hands. I mean you're just 100bb deep, unless this guys is some type of sick nit why would you even consider folding? Especially CO vs BU vs blind, I celebrate=>"think a little"=>call while celebrating more...

It is NOT a joke obviously.

You ever heard the term "the 2nd best hand"?

pretty sure you are running into AA around 50% of the time. start from there and it's an easy problem

Vision is rather tight but does 4bet a fairly wide range from my expierence... I know nothing about other player but I am not folding this

What do you guys think I'm going to say?

well... something starting with n and ending with t propably

So what happened in the end?

i see thread title "KK IN SICK SPOT PREFLOP" then i look and joe has less than 1k at a 5/10 table

laff laff laff

dont fold this

this miiiight be a fold with either a solid read on the opner or if he was UTG and you were UTG+1... but here i cant see a fold being good

On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: What do you guys think I'm going to say?

you're gonna advise people to get it in with KK against obvious AA and just run good one time

On May 27 2008 15:04 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: What do you guys think I'm going to say? you're gonna advise people to get it in with KK against obvious AA and just run good one time

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! true that

On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: What do you guys think I'm going to say?

Spike K and celebrate

If you are afraid of them giving you this much respect and only having AA or something like that, loosen up to at least 20/17/6 in VPIP/PFR/3Bet

On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: What do you guys think I'm going to say?

Shove, run to SCTrojans' house and rub him, run back to computer and dance in chair after spiking a K and winning.

On May 05 2008 19:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: What do you guys think I'm going to say?

ur gonna come out from the closet

ship it in quickkkk, you can pokerstove all you want but in the end I'M not folding here. You're going to run into AA roughly half the time of course but put into consideration of the 420$ dead + 730 + 780
SNAP call that long run +EV