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nface   Germany. Jan 02 2015 16:41. Posts 37

Hey, I have been playing Poker for about 8 months or so now. And eventho I feel like my gamesense improved, I still don't seem to be able to move up from 0.01/0.02$ Tables.

I haven't worked with Odds and Equity as I thought I should be able to move up from the lowest of micro stakes by just playing the game for a while.
I would simply like to know if there is something I should read through, that could help me move up or any other advice.

If you're interested, I uploaded most of my losing hands on liquid poker for the past 5 months or so.

Thank you in advance.

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devon06atX   Canada. Jan 02 2015 18:50. Posts 5458

You may find this helpful. Ryan Fee's 6 max strategy

http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/2p2NL6max.pdf


nface   Germany. Jan 04 2015 05:57. Posts 37

I actually read through half of it. Many things I find hard to apply to my game tho, also many things are not explained in general, but just with specific examples (which isn't bad, it just makes "his" plays hard to transfer to the situations I am in). Playing with this range yesterday, had me have like a 10% PFR/VPIP, which I personally find much too passive, especially on a table with the other people having their values between 15 and 30. It didn't seem like I made any progress. I was basically break even when I left tables.

But maybe it's just me having wrong thoughts/expectations here. I thought maybe if I follow some 'straight' guide I should be destined to move up in stakes eventually.


the cleaner   Germany. Jan 04 2015 13:12. Posts 3014

devon06atX's advice is good. I'm not sure where you get the that 10% vpip/pfr number from ? R. Fees suggest utg 13%, mp 15%, co 23%, btn 50% and normal numbers in the blinds. which seems like a very solid range. those opening ranges don't add up to 10%. if you follow his advice, or even play a little tighter you should crush those stakes.

there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 04/01/2015 13:17

nface   Germany. Jan 04 2015 16:12. Posts 37

Maybe mistake was mine. Aren't these his open raise ranges? Also for some positions he includes his 3-Bet Range, but for others he doesn't. Maybe I'm just too stupid to grasp it


nface   Germany. Jan 04 2015 19:39. Posts 37

So the last two hands in my profile were played after reading that. Can someone explain what I did wrong? Because I'm really starting to tilt here.

 Last edit: 04/01/2015 19:40

DragOn_   Canada. Jan 05 2015 00:41. Posts 214

I commented on your hands. I also recommend reading crushing the microstakes http://www.blackrain79.com/p/book.html if u cant beat NL2/NL5, its pretty straightforward and very beginner friendly


YoMeR   United States. Jan 06 2015 22:37. Posts 12435

move up to where they respect your raises

eZ Life. 

lhr0909   China. Jan 07 2015 04:47. Posts 423

For me, it really took me about 1 year to really get a hang of things, since I don't play nearly as much as I would love to (about 1 hour a day).

I have read the Ryan Fee book and the BlackRain book linked above, but it is until I finish reading this, have I really got a very good sense of the game to beat micros:
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-em-I/dp/188068540X

This book points out tons of basic mindsets that you should use going into every poker hand. Basically the book try to teach you how to structure your gameplan around commitment, along with basics like odds and equity. Implementing the ideas in the book really helped me think when to check/call/raise as well as the bet sizing. I suggest you give this book a try after reading the BlackRain book. (you can pick either Ryan Fee or BlackRain to start, imo they are similar)

no pain no gain 

nface   Germany. Jan 10 2015 06:57. Posts 37


  On January 07 2015 03:47 lhr0909 wrote:
For me, it really took me about 1 year to really get a hang of things, since I don't play nearly as much as I would love to (about 1 hour a day).

I have read the Ryan Fee book and the BlackRain book linked above, but it is until I finish reading this, have I really got a very good sense of the game to beat micros:
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-No-Limit-Hold-em-I/dp/188068540X

This book points out tons of basic mindsets that you should use going into every poker hand. Basically the book try to teach you how to structure your gameplan around commitment, along with basics like odds and equity. Implementing the ideas in the book really helped me think when to check/call/raise as well as the bet sizing. I suggest you give this book a try after reading the BlackRain book. (you can pick either Ryan Fee or BlackRain to start, imo they are similar)



Thanks for the advice. I will try that.


devon06atX   Canada. Jan 10 2015 23:54. Posts 5458

Basically man - it's just patience. Whenever you feel like you're beat - you most likely are. Otherwise - pour those dimes into that pot.


KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Jan 31 2015 05:16. Posts 1687


  On January 10 2015 22:54 devon06atX wrote:
Basically man - it's just patience. Whenever you feel like you're beat - you most likely are. Otherwise - pour those dimes into that pot.



this

poker is soooo much easier when you flop sets 

nface   Germany. Feb 05 2015 05:06. Posts 37

What seems kind of hard to me is estimating the odds with the small time bank you got on online tables. Is there any trick to it? Calculatig Pot and Implied Odds, then counting outs and discounted outs and putting the probabilities in perspective is hard to do in about the 20 seconds time you got. How do you guys do that?


MARSHALL28   United States. Feb 06 2015 17:59. Posts 1897

You don't even need to do this at 5/10.

Pay the 10$ and get an essential membership at runitonce. It's literally unfair how much knowledge you get for 10 dollars there.

It took me like 2 years playing before I started winning. Keep playing and keep looking for information. A lot of it is de-valuing the money. Once you don't care about whether you win or lose a pot you start to play a lot better. Sticking it out til you just run good a lot of times will be enough to get you over the hump. Good luck.


player999   Brasil. Feb 09 2015 23:32. Posts 7978


  On February 05 2015 04:06 nface wrote:
What seems kind of hard to me is estimating the odds with the small time bank you got on online tables. Is there any trick to it? Calculatig Pot and Implied Odds, then counting outs and discounted outs and putting the probabilities in perspective is hard to do in about the 20 seconds time you got. How do you guys do that?



While playing you only estimate things, you domt actually calculate most of the time, and with more experience your estimations get better and better. You can check how right/wrong you were after the session and learn from that so you can estimate better next time.

But your focus should be more on people's ranges and how those ranges fare against yours, your hand and the board, and not just blindly looking at your cards and figuring out what final hands you can get with them.

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

 



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