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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 18 2014 14:29. Posts 4742

The way I got it, scientists at a facility someplace cold has found light from when the Universe was a trillion, of a trillion, of a trillionth seconds old.



I'm not really that well equiped to explain, talk about this kind of stuff, so I'll be sharing stories and links:



"This is opening a window on what we believe to be a new regime of physics - the physics of what happened in the first unbelievably tiny fraction of a second in the Universe."


- Sigma 5

Particle physics uses a standard of "5 sigma" for the declaration of a discovery. At five-sigma there is only one chance in nearly two million that a random fluctuation would yield the result. wiki

It means we are >99.9999426697% confident in the result after factoring in any margins of errors in the experiment. This is how accurate you have to be before you can claim a discovery in particle physics.


One of the numerous Reddit threads, actually I've been running into similar threads nonstop the last few days. And on news science sites:

https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...r_discovery_hailed%2F&h=nAQEZwD8_


Here's the paper: http://bicepkeck.org/b2_respap_arxiv_v1.pdf

But after skimming through, I quickly exited, I'm nowhere smart to make sense of that, but maybe there are some physic people on liquid xD ? ?



In the aftermath, a few posts from people going "This isn't important for the normal day to day guy".

A pretty cool response, scroll down to yellow post: http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow...nced_measurement_of/cg52uxc?context=2


I don't know about you guys, but pretty amazing, been thinking about it all day, even though I hardly understand any of it.

So if space can expand/explode, much faster than the speed of light.

And if this is now a proof, that at one point, it was unbelievably small, then started expanding much faster than the speed of light. That kinds plays tricks on your mind.

Makes it feel like it came from somewhere, or that there's something making it that small? pressure from whatever it outside the Universe? wtf, head hurts lol

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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 18 2014 14:34. Posts 4742


Oh, for people who want to try and understand a little bit more, there is a 4 part series:


The Fabric of the Cosmos


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c4rnage   . Mar 18 2014 15:40. Posts 409

What i understood from this, is that this is like a confirmation of the big bang and that the universe has been expanding since, im correct?


Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 18 2014 16:50. Posts 4742


  On March 18 2014 14:40 c4rnage wrote:
What i understood from this, is that this is like a confirmation of the big bang and that the universe has been expanding since, im correct?




I think so, inflation theory (Everything moves away from each other, at a faster and faster rate). I think it's "so big", because it's a big step to that Unified theory of everything.

And it's pretty remarkable (to quote someone), that since science came, 600 years ago, we've managed to pint point an event that took place 13,8 billion years ago, and possible the origin of everything in the Universe.

Also, the concept that the expanding, doesn't have to follow the laws of physic, so it can break the speed rule.

But inside the Universe, nothing can go faster than the speed of light.

It only gives me a million more questions. It feels kinda like, we're not suppose to know this kind of stuff, or that it's suppose to be far, far into the future before we get hold of stuff like this.

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Daut    United States. Mar 18 2014 17:44. Posts 8955

the best explanation ive seen of this is, imagine a rock falling into a lake that causes ripples throughout the lake. but in this case, the rock landing also created the lake. so there are very early gravitational ripples (predicted by einstein 100 years ago) that they found and proved to be from no other cause but the big bang.

http://gizmodo.com/astronomers-discov...rect-proof-of-the-big-bang-1545525927

^^ laymans article

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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 18 2014 17:51. Posts 4742

I wonder what it's like to live in a die hard religious family, when stuff like this happens, when Cosmos is on TV. Do they never watch it, talk about it? How does that work, I don't get it, must be so weird, at least I think it's weird.... But what do I know lol


c4rnage   . Mar 18 2014 18:04. Posts 409

I found this explanation

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/sci...landmark-theory-of-big-bang.html?_r=0


Graisseux   Canada. Mar 18 2014 20:52. Posts 474


  On March 18 2014 15:50 Mariuslol wrote:
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I think so, inflation theory (Everything moves away from each other, at a faster and faster rate). I think it's "so big", because it's a big step to that Unified theory of everything.

But inside the Universe, nothing can go faster than the speed of light.


I didn't google it or anything so I might be wrong, but I think that the inflation theory you are talking about describes what happened at the very beginning of the universe only. It went from tiny to huge in like 1*10^-34s (not the exact numbers). I heard that in that period, a coin would've expanded to the size of our galaxy.

I just wanted to point out that this crazy expansion slowed down alot right after, as written it sounded like it was still happening today It's not really faster and faster, it's uber fast and then "slow" haha.

Also one could argue that galaxies do "go faster than the speed of light" and are inside the universe. To be more correct we should say that stuff cannot do it "through space" while it can "with space".

Hope I don't sound like an asshole -_-.


palak   United States. Mar 20 2014 20:44. Posts 4601


  On March 18 2014 15:50 Mariuslol wrote:
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Also, the concept that the expanding, doesn't have to follow the laws of physic, so it can break the speed rule.

But inside the Universe, nothing can go faster than the speed of light.



Second sentence is not correct. Relativity laws make it so that INFORMATION can not be transmitted at faster than the speed of light. There is no limit on how fast the space in between two objects can grow. Right now there are many galaxies moving away from us at faster than the speed of light. Usual wiki quote

  Although the theory of special relativity forbids objects to have a relative velocity greater than light speed, and general relativity reduces to special relativity in a local sense (in small regions of spacetime where curvature is negligible), general relativity does allow the space between distant objects to expand in such a way that they have a "recession velocity" which exceeds the speed of light, and it is thought that galaxies which are at a distance of more than about 14 billion light-years from us today have a recession velocity which is faster than light.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

There's a cosmology lecture by Leonard Susskind on youtube that explains this, can't remember which one. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB64419BFD176F2FD

Basic concept is as follows.
1. You are standing 1 foot away from a stationary object.
2. For every inch between you and the object a space will expand by half an inch per day. This is caused by dark energy, as to how this site provides a decent explanation.
3. The half inch per inch is a constant expansion since dark energy doesn't dilute. This means after 1 day you will be 18 inches apart, 2 days you will be 27 inches apart (notice the expansion rate grew 3 inches between day 1 and day 2), after a month you'll be 2301012.71 inches apart which is 36.3 miles.

Take that same concept but give it a slower expansion rate and apply it to things that are billions of light years away.

EDIT: what Graisseux said is correct.

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Highcard   Canada. Mar 21 2014 02:07. Posts 5428


  On March 18 2014 16:51 Mariuslol wrote:
I wonder what it's like to live in a die hard religious family, when stuff like this happens, when Cosmos is on TV. Do they never watch it, talk about it? How does that work, I don't get it, must be so weird, at least I think it's weird.... But what do I know lol



The family thinks you are weird. They become upset and angry at each other if the topic is brought up. The husband lashes out and applies strict rules with strong prejudice, shaming the family from none pure thoughts. The mother feels stress to keep unity in the family, she supports her husband. The kids go to bed feeling ashamed as they wonder what it means to be alive, thoughts of jesus or allah or whoever speak to them through their inner monologue. They feel a connection to their faith, yet, strangely find that connection is not from an outside force, instead the force is coming from within. They question if it is faith that pieces them together or if they are their own living being. The emotional abuse caused by religious dogma corrupts their self esteem and self understanding, creating undue stress and agony, fueling mental instability. The hierarchy of unity punishes them for speaking out. They feel trapped, with most giving up, broken by a system of control and manipulation.

The father is ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as his family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into him as a child. The wife feels ashamed at night, feeling a sense of falure as the family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into her as a child. The children feel ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as they try to understand the world around them and the faith being forced upon them.

You have to be wrong or the unity that has built the family will crumble. You are wrong.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 21 2014 02:30. Posts 34246


  On March 21 2014 01:07 Highcard wrote:
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The family thinks you are weird. They become upset and angry at each other if the topic is brought up. The husband lashes out and applies strict rules with strong prejudice, shaming the family from none pure thoughts. The mother feels stress to keep unity in the family, she supports her husband. The kids go to bed feeling ashamed as they wonder what it means to be alive, thoughts of jesus or allah or whoever speak to them through their inner monologue. They feel a connection to their faith, yet, strangely find that connection is not from an outside force, instead the force is coming from within. They question if it is faith that pieces them together or if they are their own living being. The emotional abuse caused by religious dogma corrupts their self esteem and self understanding, creating undue stress and agony, fueling mental instability. The hierarchy of unity punishes them for speaking out. They feel trapped, with most giving up, broken by a system of control and manipulation.

The father is ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as his family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into him as a child. The wife feels ashamed at night, feeling a sense of falure as the family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into her as a child. The children feel ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as they try to understand the world around them and the faith being forced upon them.

You have to be wrong or the unity that has built the family will crumble. You are wrong.


lol nice

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devon06atX   Canada. Mar 21 2014 11:49. Posts 5458

Holy shit Highcard, that was intense.

So. Tell us how you really feel about religious families?


Daut    United States. Mar 21 2014 13:48. Posts 8955


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Daut    United States. Mar 21 2014 13:59. Posts 8955


  On March 20 2014 19:44 palak wrote:
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Second sentence is not correct. Relativity laws make it so that INFORMATION can not be transmitted at faster than the speed of light. There is no limit on how fast the space in between two objects can grow. Right now there are many galaxies moving away from us at faster than the speed of light. Usual wiki quote

  Although the theory of special relativity forbids objects to have a relative velocity greater than light speed, and general relativity reduces to special relativity in a local sense (in small regions of spacetime where curvature is negligible), general relativity does allow the space between distant objects to expand in such a way that they have a "recession velocity" which exceeds the speed of light, and it is thought that galaxies which are at a distance of more than about 14 billion light-years from us today have a recession velocity which is faster than light.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

There's a cosmology lecture by Leonard Susskind on youtube that explains this, can't remember which one. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB64419BFD176F2FD

Basic concept is as follows.
1. You are standing 1 foot away from a stationary object.
2. For every inch between you and the object a space will expand by half an inch per day. This is caused by dark energy, as to how this site provides a decent explanation.
3. The half inch per inch is a constant expansion since dark energy doesn't dilute. This means after 1 day you will be 18 inches apart, 2 days you will be 27 inches apart (notice the expansion rate grew 3 inches between day 1 and day 2), after a month you'll be 2301012.71 inches apart which is 36.3 miles.

Take that same concept but give it a slower expansion rate and apply it to things that are billions of light years away.

EDIT: what Graisseux said is correct.



looks like ive got my next 6 weeks set with these susskind videos. see ya'll in may

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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 21 2014 14:04. Posts 4742

10/10


Highcard   Canada. Mar 21 2014 22:17. Posts 5428


  On March 21 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote:
Holy shit Highcard, that was intense.

So. Tell us how you really feel about religious families?



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ParadoxPLZ   Canada. Mar 28 2014 06:19. Posts 323


  On March 21 2014 01:07 Highcard wrote:
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The family thinks you are weird. They become upset and angry at each other if the topic is brought up. The husband lashes out and applies strict rules with strong prejudice, shaming the family from none pure thoughts. The mother feels stress to keep unity in the family, she supports her husband. The kids go to bed feeling ashamed as they wonder what it means to be alive, thoughts of jesus or allah or whoever speak to them through their inner monologue. They feel a connection to their faith, yet, strangely find that connection is not from an outside force, instead the force is coming from within. They question if it is faith that pieces them together or if they are their own living being. The emotional abuse caused by religious dogma corrupts their self esteem and self understanding, creating undue stress and agony, fueling mental instability. The hierarchy of unity punishes them for speaking out. They feel trapped, with most giving up, broken by a system of control and manipulation.

The father is ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as his family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into him as a child. The wife feels ashamed at night, feeling a sense of falure as the family struggles to follow the dogma which was brainwashed into her as a child. The children feel ashamed at night, feeling a sense of failure as they try to understand the world around them and the faith being forced upon them.

You have to be wrong or the unity that has built the family will crumble. You are wrong.


Okay, I'll bite.
There's a very strange irony to your post; it comes more from a place of dogma than the family you illustrate, in how inaccurate it is in capturing an actual religious family and more a caricature of one. If you wanted to illustrate a dogmatic family you've succeeded, if you wanted to illustrate a religious family you've failed. not all "religious" families are dogmatic. you could also just as easily sub in political dogma for religious dogma in your illustration; but then does it really capture strictly a religious family? no. it's too much of a reduction to equate religious experience with dogmatic experience, and it's pandering to the same popularist crowd that people like dawkins like to cater to and think their achieving any meaningful critique. all you're really communicating is the idea that religious belief comes from a place of dogma, which is ludicrously wrong and only applies to a minor subset of the religious population who are more dogmatic than they are religious.

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vasoline73   United States. Mar 28 2014 07:30. Posts 808

I don't understand how this would make religious people upset? lol


 
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