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Doesn't seem like a good call preflop. 48s has to play pretty bad OP vs anyone with half a brain. I dunno but I can't see myself calling this river too often, he can cb Ax~tons of Kx and keep betting them, esp Ax, sure he might be bluffing sometime but good for him cause you certainly are fucked most of the time. Wouldn't fold Kx on turn, maybe on river depending on the player, if you say you never saw him 3barrel I don't really see why this is that great of a spot to call.

Just fold pre. Rly.

Ya.

Just fold. I like more hands like 56s/A2s to 4bet bluff back.

Construct defend ranges!!!
WTF IS THIS?
Why would you want to steal wide vs wide 3b range?

1. no
2. good question... probably KQ/KJ, maybe KTs and moreso if you do not have clubs in your hand. A lot of guys are just incapable of 3 barreling as a bluff here in which case you could even fold some/all Kx hands
3. postflop is fine as long as you folded, pre flop is bad. If you're opening 60% of your hands bvb the worst hands you should be regularly calling are hands like: A8o, K9o, QTo, JTo, Axs, K7s, Q8s-T8s, 98s, 87s, 77-88 (this will depend on ur 4b range but something in that neighborhood)

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Ye it will be most likely correct theoretically to shove your entire turn bet range on the river.

However about the turn...I think it's pretty good to have a turn check river bet range where you very credibly rep Kx weaker Ax hands (and should have some of them in that range too) and could put your weaker draws like the gutter +1over to pocket pairs in it. Just makes you use position more

As to preflop.
Minimum you have to defend is 50% but guess 73% that you'll have if this is one of the worst hands u 3b is fine, some might argue 100% defend is right vs 60% range even

What can be said is that both of you made pretty bad preflop plays.

Not sure why bother this shit with J5o.

j5o is a good hand to 3 bet pre with
keep it up

Both players are spewing pretty hard post. villain in the hand once he gets to the flop should be just shoveling in money. and hero in hand should be shutting down pretty often. but I like hero's pf play more than villain's pf play for sure. But both I'd expect to be -ev

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I'd would be thinking in this spot in terms of range vs range. and 48 or J5o aren't gonna be in my standard range ever...obv if someone is giving up too much or i have some other damn good reason. But even with reads this is likely just punting money.

On January 02 2014 04:44 Rapoza wrote: if we decide to 3 barrel once A hits on turn i dont see much difference between J5o and QJs

you don't have enough info about villain or you wouldn't have to ask, so your FE is unknown I assume. there's two ways to go about this -
1) you try to play your range and choose a reasonable bluff/value ratio and adjust it for what you already know about villain
- you look at what value hands, and then start adding bluffs as needed - most people use equity they have and blockers they have as base for bluffing ranges, this way makes your range more controlled and it isn't skewed one way too much and if he calls too much or folds too much you won't be making a big mistake.
2) you play pure exploitive - if you are way better at adjusting that villain manipulate image better than him/have very good reads then you can bluff all your air in which case there is no difference between J5o and hands with blockers to hands he can call with* - see what he calls, then re-adjust in later spots and win the leveling game.

I realized recently that I suck at poker, and when I play strong agrro reg only tables at 50+, It's hard for me to come out ahead when I try to do magic vs them and take approach 2). Sure when I Play my A game I can match most regs but that happens like 25% of the time max?And hardly ever when 10+ tabling so approach 1) where I try to control my range try to play close to optimal adjusted for reads I have seems better when you aren't sure you will adjust a lot better/read your opponents pretty well.




*EDIT: I mean it as a concept in general here you have the strongest draws you can have tho on the turn besides XXcc and better implied odds that with QJ so it should be fine even with this approach if you wanna have controlled but reasonable wide barrel range- for 3 barrel if he floats a lot it's better to not block XXcc hands since hell call turn fold rvr with most of them. If he wont float many XXcc then XXcc hands u have should be give a priority when deciding barrel range . you still wouldn't be cbetting flop though

On January 02 2014 04:44 Rapoza wrote: preflop is fine; BUT could lead to post flop mistakes sometimes and thats why its here; post i agree with Yomer; this play is -ev in a vacuum but i am not sure is that simple; everybody agrees that villain should fold whenever he doesnt improves by the river which means my play is +ev versus his hand; but probably -ev against his range; but then again my range is around 70%~80% value I understand choosing hands with equity is better while bluffing but there isnt many on this board with good equity at all plus its all about momentum... if we decide to 3 barrel once A hits on turn i dont see much difference between J5o and QJs

While you're right in this particular board that J5o is same as QJs...but run this situation 10000 times on that many different boards...you'll see a huge difference in profits no doubt.

I mean there should be some hard evidence and reasoning behind each play to justify it being +ev...obv we can come up with all sorts of bullshit to justify our plays. But generally in hands like this we won't be finding much justification to conclude this play was +ev. Doubt it'll help anyone's bottom line ;o