Evolution of music

I'm not saying good music doesn't exist anymore, there are still very good musicians out there I could cite hundreds but my contention is that they don't make it to the top of charts today which are saturated with shitty computer based and autotuned songs. Your point about jazz is interesting but you agree that perfecting a genre is different than creating a new genre ?

i can think of 4 examples:

never heard an album like:

adele
radiohead - king of limbs
avicii
yeezy - mbtdf

also just real quick thinking

go back and listen to t-pain's good songs before that got overdone

go back and listen to lil jon and yin yang twins good songs before that got overdone

gaga

dubstep

etc

On May 12 2012 06:22 brambolius wrote: old but great

Haha how did i not know that.
Super awesome

And it's a bad way to make a counter point with a list that includes 10 types of christmas song genres

eh it makes more sense on the link cuz they have it divided into genre and sub genres, so genre was just 'christmas songs" and all the others were subgenres, but when i copied it over it lost formatting and i'm far to lazy to reformat it

On May 12 2012 07:11 Achoo wrote: I'm not saying good music doesn't exist anymore, there are still very good musicians out there I could cite hundreds but my contention is that they don't make it to the top of charts today which are saturated with shitty computer based and autotuned songs. Your point about jazz is interesting but you agree that perfecting a genre is different than creating a new genre ?

I don't know lol

And I think most of what is popular is popular because it is popular... Just mass produce and make money.

On May 12 2012 07:20 RiKD wrote: i can think of 4 examples: never heard an album like: adele radiohead - king of limbs avicii yeezy - mbtdf also just real quick thinking go back and listen to t-pain's good songs before that got overdone go back and listen to lil jon and yin yang twins good songs before that got overdone gaga dubstep etc

Before and after Illuminati control.. jk jk

Before and after making money over making music.

And Kid A always comes to my mind more than any other album for originality.

Kid A is slightly better imho... King of Limbs is like the same album but minus a lot of miles underwater

I had the same conversation as the OP with friends. There was a time that Hendrix, Beatles,... were actually the popular music. Then corporations got involved to make big money off the music industry and the "performers" replaced musicians. So instead of artists and art people got into celebrities and fame. Ever since then its been down hill. Madonna, boy bands, Spears. Then when you thought that we can't go lower than that you got Bieber and MileyCyrus.
We had a couple of good musicians that have also contributed to this downward slope. Like Elvis or Metallica, but in general the popular "music" is not about music anymore.

This is a perfect example. This performance was not received by many. It just doesn't sell in today's society.

has anyone on this forum actually purchased music in the last like 5-10 years? I can't remember having done that

EDIT: Are you saying Gnarles Barkley particularly Cee-lo Green isn't popular/well received in todays world, or that the particular version of Crazy in the video wasn't well received?

That particular version of the song when performed live was not well received because many critics called it slow and boring or sth like that. But CeeLo didn't care anyways. Thats one reason that I like Cee Lo, he tried not to give a shit about public.


PS: I have gone to live performances, does that count as paying for music?

No, i meant buying albums. Not going to shows or blu-ray concerts etc. As a random thing artists make far more from concert purchases than they do from cd purchases.

sure i have all cds of my favourite bands i could get

No, there are almost no "active" artists that I support today. I can only think of Mark Knopfler but even for him I don't buy the records. I do however buy merchandise like T-Shirts from his site. I think that way the artist actually gets the money directly rather than getting small royalty from the record company. I might be wrong even on that though.

for sure theres still new quality music being made. you just have to be able to distinguish from the 93% of the cheap / lame stuff.

agree with Rikd on yeezy, lil jon, t-pain, yy twins, dubstep,.. + hyphy, uk garage/grime, ..

lol there is way more music out there than what we hear on the radio

music today has more artists participating in creating it than ever before in human history. by a fucking long shot. there is plenty of innovative or just simply good music being made today

people who cry about the good ole days are lame, but I think it is just a natural part of human psychology so w/e

On May 12 2012 20:32 2c0ntent wrote: lol there is way more music out there than what we hear on the radio music today has more artists participating in creating it than ever before in human history. by a fucking long shot. there is plenty of innovative or just simply good music being made today people who cry about the good ole days are lame, but I think it is just a natural part of human psychology so w/e

NOBODY is denying that there is more music today. So I agree that there is more good music. But you are an idiot if you are saying that the taste of general population have not deteriorated GREATLY in the past 30-40 years. that is a FACT. Just compare this 70s list with this recent list
You will notice in the first list they are ALL musicians[write their own songs] and the list is ALL about music. the 2011 list they are almost ALL females. And with the exception of Adele, its all about sex symbolism and has nothing to do with music. And then again they almost ALL performers[other people write their songs] and not musicians.

So yes more people are making crative music in their basements today. Has nothing to do with the main point of the thread. We are talking about the music industry and the populations taste in music.

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sorry for throwing Adele under the bus btw

On May 11 2012 14:43 palak wrote: list of genres + Show Spoiler + Alternative College Rock Goth Rock Grunge Indie Rock New Wave Punk Anime Blues Acoustic Blues Chicago Blues Classic Blues Contemporary Blues Country Blues Delta Blues Electric Blues Children's Music Lullabies Sing-Along Stories Classical Avant-Garde Baroque Chamber Music Chant Choral Classical Crossover Early Music High Classical Impressionist Medieval Minimalism Modern Composition Opera Orchestral Renaissance Romantic Wedding Music Comedy Novelty Standup Comedy Country Alternative Country Americana Bluegrass Contemporary Bluegrass Contemporary Country Country Gospel Honky Tonk Outlaw Country Traditional Bluegrass Traditional Country Urban Cowboy Dance Breakbeat Exercise Garage Hardcore House Jungle/Drum'n'bass Techno Trance Disney Easy Listening Bop Lounge Swing Electronic Ambient Downtempo Electronica IDM/Experimental Industrial Enka French Pop German Folk German Pop Fitness & Workout Hip-Hop/Rap Alternative Rap Dirty South East Coast Rap Gangsta Rap Hardcore Rap Hip-Hop Latin Rap Old School Rap Rap Underground Rap West Coast Rap Holiday Chanukah Christmas Christmas: Children's Christmas: Classic Christmas: Classical Christmas: Jazz Christmas: Modern Christmas: Pop Christmas: R&B Christmas: Religious Christmas: Rock Easter Halloween Holiday: Other Thanksgiving Christian & Gospel CCM Christian Metal Christian Pop Christian Rap Christian Rock Classic Christian Contemporary Gospel Gospel Christian & Gospel Praise & Worship Southern Gospel Traditional Gospel Instrumental J-Pop Jazz Avant-Garde Jazz Big Band Contemporary Jazz Cool Crossover Jazz Dixieland Fusion Hard Bop Latin Jazz Mainstream Jazz Ragtime Smooth Jazz Trad Jazz K-Pop Karaoke Kayokyoku Can't find the music genre you're looking for? Try one of the music ad links below Great music genres books [affiliate links] Music Genres and Corporate Cultures Banding Together: How Communities Create Genres in Popular Music Genre in Popular Music Popular Music Genres: An Introduction Free download complete list of music genres Michael Jackson Official Music Store about this music genre site Latino Alternativo & Rock Latino Baladas y Boleros Brazilian Contemporary Latin Latin Jazz Pop Latino Raíces Reggaeton y Hip-Hop Regional Mexicano Salsa y Tropical New Age Environmental Healing Meditation Nature Relaxation Travel Opera Pop Adult Contemporary Britpop Pop/Rock Soft Rock Teen Pop R&B/Soul Contemporary R&B Disco Doo Wop Funk Motown Neo-Soul Quiet Storm Soul Reggae Dancehall Dub Roots Reggae Ska Rock Adult Alternative American Trad Rock Arena Rock Blues-Rock British Invasion Death Metal/Black Metal Glam Rock Hair Metal Hard Rock Metal Jam Bands Prog-Rock/Art Rock Psychedelic Rock & Roll Rockabilly Roots Rock Singer/Songwriter Southern Rock Surf Tex-Mex Singer/Songwriter Alternative Folk Contemporary Folk Contemporary Singer/Songwriter Folk-Rock New Acoustic Traditional Folk Soundtrack Foreign Cinema Musicals Original Score Soundtrack TV Soundtrack Spoken Word Vocal Standards Traditional Pop Vocal Jazz Vocal Pop World Africa Afro-Beat Afro-Pop Asia Australia Cajun Caribbean Celtic Celtic Folk Contemporary Celtic Drinking Songs Europe France Hawaii Indian Pop Japan Japanese Pop Klezmer Middle East North America Polka South Africa South America Traditional Celtic Worldbeat Zydeco http://musicgenreslist.com/ how many more genres does he expect to have been made

Quick glance and I see Minimal Wave, Coldwave, Post-Punk, Synthpop, Deathrock, Darkwave and a bunch more missing.

Also, music is not dead. It is only artists who are more and more incapable as time goes by. Using the radio to judge anything is dumb because mainstream culture always has it completely wrong.

On May 12 2012 14:47 palak wrote: has anyone on this forum actually purchased music in the last like 5-10 years? I can't remember having done that EDIT: Are you saying Gnarles Barkley particularly Cee-lo Green isn't popular/well received in todays world, or that the particular version of Crazy in the video wasn't well received?

i purchase pretty much all of my music.

used to download copious amounts of music in college but once i got on the apple train and had some poker monies i valued the ease of use, organization, aesthetics and time more than the money.

/not so thinly veiled brag

but seriously, i've tried to go back to my college days of being ahead of the curve on all that stuff at times and i always quickly get annoyed so don't do that anymore.

pro tip:

if you are a music guy and tilted:

-absorb some good green in absorption method of choice (optional)
-get lost in itunes adventure so your consciousness is focused on how insanely amazing your itunes adventure is and not how much money you just lost
-spend like a buyin or w/e.

you will feel a lot better getting a buyin in the middle w/ 100+% roi and the experience that goes w/ it than generally getting a buyin or so in not so good at the tables.

On May 12 2012 20:32 2c0ntent wrote: lol there is way more music out there than what we hear on the radio music today has more artists participating in creating it than ever before in human history. by a fucking long shot. there is plenty of innovative or just simply good music being made today people who cry about the good ole days are lame, but I think it is just a natural part of human psychology so w/e

more doesn't equal good or better :/

Here's a pretty good example of radio fucking things up. Granted this song has been overplayed so damned much it drives me insane. Also the video is really weird
original-played only on the alt rock radio station near me


version played on every other radio station