Broll management discipline.

I have a simple flaw: Bankroll management.

My skill level is far above my stakes and because of such I always find myself jumping up. I know what good broll management is, but in the words of Arold, "I LACK DISCIPLINE!"

What are some tips you guys use to stay disciplined in your broll management efforts? (I'm looking for things you guys do to deter you from jumping up in stakes, not the literal numbers behind your management... there are countless articles on those).

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Upon further review, notables think I need to break my game down and rebuild it. I'm very open to advice and any help.. or places I can find help. Thanks.

Think of it as in you are not increasing your hourly rate by moving up, because you are increasing the chance of going bust by a much higher percentage. If you are better than the stake you are playing, then it will show because you will move up over time with the right amount of money, simple as that. You don't want to be the guy who is stuck at 25NL bc he keeps blowing his money at 200NL. Bc if you have a good run at 200NL, you will do the same thing with 400NL and 600NL. Nip this problem in the bud now before you get stuck in that cycle.

It takes power of will to keep playing according to your br management. That's where ambition should get included - "if I keep taking shots, I'm not strong enough"

im 100% with thewh00sel here, if you are a multitabler you wont even feel the urge to go higher if you are beating your stakes, because you will be going there in short time anyway

i used to be a mutli tabler... but since black friday, there isnt a platform in the US to do so. im on Carbon Poker atm, and the traffic isnt anywhere near where stars/ftp was (not where it ever be, and Ive come to terms with that)

Better to keep winning at what your playing and then take the shot later once you are definitely rolled. You are going to feel really terrible when you take a shot and bust 1/2 your roll and realize you have to play another 50k+ hands at your former stake to make up for the loss. Back when I was taking shots at NL 25 I busted like 2/3-3/4 of my roll from being stupid and had to regrind NL 5. Take it slow. It's going to feel a whole lot better knowing your moving up consistently than crashing cause you wanna play better people.

On January 18 2012 09:43 strydah wrote: I have a simple flaw: Bankroll management. My skill level is far above my stakes and because of such I always find myself jumping up.

Your flaw is your ego. You do not have a skill level far above your stakes or you would be playing far above your stakes reasonably rolled. You simply think you are much better than you are causing you to take shots you have no business taking, and it's nothing more than that. Admit to yourself you have a lot to learn and focus on whatever the current stakes are that you should be playing with a mentality to improve and over time you will see results.

On January 18 2012 10:54 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2012 09:43 strydah wrote: I have a simple flaw: Bankroll management. My skill level is far above my stakes and because of such I always find myself jumping up. Your flaw is your ego. You do not have a skill level far above your stakes or you would be playing far above your stakes reasonably rolled. You simply think you are much better than you are causing you to take shots you have no business taking, and it's nothing more than that. Admit to yourself you have a lot to learn and focus on whatever the current stakes are that you should be playing with a mentality to improve and over time you will see results.

if patience is a skill (which i'd say is more of a virtue) then you are right. im not going to sit here and tell you i know everything about poker.. no one does. but my game is pretty sound. i study like crazy, and have played infinite hands, reviewed tons of hand histories of other friends (MTTs related)... i have a good game, and because of this i always jump (especially in HU omaha, which i know is suicide because a swingier game doesnt exist...)

omaha hi/lo hu hyper turbo sngs ;sssssss

lol hu plo is whati was referring to, but yes, those are pretty bad too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

On January 18 2012 11:10 Zep wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

I see what you tried to do there, but we're in the middle of a SOPA and PIPA black out. Please attempt any and all shenanigans at a later date.

Thanks!

I've never been able to teach anyone proper br management. I just let them busto and learn themselves.

On January 18 2012 11:02 strydah wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2012 10:54 nolan wrote:   On January 18 2012 09:43 strydah wrote: I have a simple flaw: Bankroll management. My skill level is far above my stakes and because of such I always find myself jumping up. Your flaw is your ego. You do not have a skill level far above your stakes or you would be playing far above your stakes reasonably rolled. You simply think you are much better than you are causing you to take shots you have no business taking, and it's nothing more than that. Admit to yourself you have a lot to learn and focus on whatever the current stakes are that you should be playing with a mentality to improve and over time you will see results. if patience is a skill (which i'd say is more of a virtue) then you are right. im not going to sit here and tell you i know everything about poker.. no one does. but my game is pretty sound. i study like crazy, and have played infinite hands, reviewed tons of hand histories of other friends (MTTs related)... i have a good game, and because of this i always jump (especially in HU omaha, which i know is suicide because a swingier game doesnt exist...)

Whats your winrate? There's a lot of dillusional regs who say they are good, but all insta sit out when the fish goes busto....

On January 18 2012 09:43 strydah wrote: My skill level is far above my stakes and because of such I always find myself jumping up. I know what good broll management is, but in the words of Arold, "I LACK DISCIPLINE!"

You should try to think of "poker skill" as including things such as bankroll management. The end goal of poker is money, the best player is the one who makes the most money - not who can talk the best game or run the best bluff etc.. Bad bankroll management is an obstruction to your goal, and is therefore a deficiency in your poker skill set.

double post

On January 18 2012 11:13 strydah wrote: Show nested quote + On January 18 2012 11:10 Zep wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion I see what you tried to do there, but we're in the middle of a SOPA and PIPA black out. Please attempt any and all shenanigans at a later date. Thanks!

Oh, my bad.

On January 18 2012 11:31 Zep wrote:

and judging by your sharkscope results, really just looks like you're a luck box. No matter what, you definitely don't have enough data to make any conclusions in regards to your skill level.

stats from 2010 on an obsolete account are fun!

There are no tricks to discipline, you just need to realize that no matter if you can or cant beat those stakes you will play worse while underrolled and swings will affect you much harder, keeping you playing those lower stakes potentially even longer than you would have otherwise. You gotta understand that jumping several limits above your roll is just proven to have -EV, its not a matter of opinion, its not conditional to your skill, its just a fact the same way jamming 75o preflop is -EV, once you see that those 2 things are the same you shouldnt have a problem not doing either. Of course there isnt anything too bad with the occasional shot at one limit above your own when there is a good game going, that would be like jamming with A4s ^^