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k2o4   United States. Oct 22 2007 18:35. Posts 4803

NOTE: I posted a few hands in here cause I always have a million questions and don't want to spam the forum. I also post hands that I won where I think I made a bad play or could have done it better. All help is appreciated!

What to do with JJ in this situation...

  Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #12610248129: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/13 - 19:51:50 (ET)
Table 'Forsytia' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: xxxxyxxxx ($26.55 in chips)
Seat 2: uramawa ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Biri81 ($37.45 in chips)
Seat 4: k2o4 ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 5: luuwat ($24.35 in chips)
Seat 6: jtnuts ($7.80 in chips)
Seat 7: Leech24 ($26.25 in chips)
Seat 8: ikaikaleo ($6 in chips)
Seat 9: flagguy ($22.50 in chips)
k2o4 : posts small blind $0.10
luuwat: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to k2o4 JcJh
jtnuts: calls $0.25
Leech24: folds
ikaikaleo: folds
flagguy: folds
xxxxyxxxx: folds
uramawa: folds
Biri81: raises $1 to $1.25
Leech24 leaves the table
k2o4 : calls $1.15
luuwat: folds
jtnuts: folds

Flop (Pot : $3.00)

   8s4hQd
k2o4 : bets $1.50
Biri81: calls $1.50

Turn (Pot : $6.00)

   8s4hQd6s
k2o4 : checks
Biri81: bets $1.25
k2o4 : raises $7.50 to $8.75
Sartrian joins the table at seat #7
Biri81: folds
k2o4 collected $8.10 from pot
k2o4 : doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.40
Board  8s4hQd6s
Seat 1: xxxxyxxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: uramawa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Biri81 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: k2o4 (small blind) collected ($8.10)
Seat 5: luuwat (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jtnuts folded before Flop
Seat 7: Leech24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ikaikaleo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: flagguy folded before Flop (didn't bet)




Fold this river?

  Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #12610280757: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/13 - 19:53:56 (ET)
Table 'Forsytia' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: xxxxyxxxx ($26.55 in chips)
Seat 2: uramawa ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Biri81 ($33.45 in chips)
Seat 4: k2o4 ($29.20 in chips)
Seat 5: luuwat ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 6: jtnuts ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 8: ikaikaleo ($6 in chips)
Seat 9: flagguy ($22.50 in chips)
luuwat: posts small blind $0.10
jtnuts: posts big blind $0.25
Sartrian: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to k2o4 QhKh
ikaikaleo: calls $0.25
flagguy: folds
xxxxyxxxx: folds
uramawa: folds
Biri81: calls $0.25
k2o4 : raises $1.25 to $1.50
luuwat: folds
jtnuts: folds
ikaikaleo: calls $1.25
Biri81: calls $1.25

Flop (Pot : $4.85)

   2s7sKc
ikaikaleo: checks
Biri81: checks
k2o4 : bets $4.50
ikaikaleo: folds
Biri81: calls $4.50

Turn (Pot : $13.85)

   2s7sKcJc
Biri81: checks
k2o4 : bets $9.75
jtnuts is disconnected
Biri81: calls $9.75

River (Pot : $33.35)

   2s7sKcJcAs
Biri81: bets $17.70 and is all-in
jtnuts is connected
k2o4 : folds
Biri81 collected $31.75 from pot
Biri81: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $33.35 | Rake $1.60
Board  2s7sKcJcAs
Seat 1: xxxxyxxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: uramawa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Biri81 collected ($31.75)
Seat 4: k2o4 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: luuwat (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jtnuts (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ikaikaleo folded on the Flop
Seat 9: flagguy folded before Flop (didn't bet)




Check turn, call river?

  Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #12610897931: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/13 - 20:33:20 (ET)
Table 'Meriones' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: telso ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: k2o4 ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: JTdollar$ ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Dragonsdoom ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Sp1ke777 ($11 in chips)
Seat 7: cardcooker66 ($13.10 in chips)
Seat 8: DuaneK ($41.10 in chips)
Seat 9: cfeuer ($32.90 in chips)
cardcooker66: posts small blind $0.10
DuaneK: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to k2o4 4d4c
cfeuer: folds
telso: folds
k2o4 : calls $0.25
JTdollar$: folds
heathk6890 has returned
Dragonsdoom: calls $0.25
Sp1ke777: raises $0.50 to $0.75
cardcooker66: folds
DuaneK: calls $0.50
k2o4 : calls $0.50
Dragonsdoom: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2.60)

   6d4h7c
DuaneK: checks
k2o4 : checks
Sp1ke777: bets $2
DuaneK: raises $12 to $14
k2o4 : calls $14
Sp1ke777: calls $8.25 and is all-in

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $37.10)

   6d4h7c3h
DuaneK: checks
k2o4 : bets $10.25 and is all-in
DuaneK: calls $10.25

River (Pot : $57.60)

   6d4h7c3hQd

Showdown
DuaneK: shows 8s5s (a straight, Four to Eight)
k2o4 : mucks hand
DuaneK collected $26.70 from side pot
Sp1ke777: mucks hand
DuaneK collected $31.70 from main pot

Summary
Total pot $61.35 Main pot $31.70. Side pot $26.70. | Rake $2.95
Board  6d4h7c3hQd
Seat 1: telso folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: k2o4 mucked 4d4c
Seat 4: JTdollar$ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Dragonsdoom folded before Flop
Seat 6: Sp1ke777 (button) mucked 5hAc
Seat 7: cardcooker66 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DuaneK (big blind) showed 8s5s and won ($58.40) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 9: cfeuer folded before Flop (didn't bet)




Ok, I'm confused... With his C on the flop and check on the turn, with the flush completing, what's the move here? Or should I have just laid down the A8 to the bet?

  Submitted by : k2o4

PokerStars Game #12611208956: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/13 - 20:52:18 (ET)
Table 'Tyumenia' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: westlock32 ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 2: scalper4U ($39.85 in chips)
Seat 3: kipper3880 ($24 in chips)
Seat 5: Flakjack666 ($22.60 in chips)
Seat 6: 4Dgeneral ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 7: foxycoxy ($10.90 in chips)
Seat 8: Lievre ($38.45 in chips)
Seat 9: k2o4 ($24.75 in chips)
scalper4U: posts small blind $0.10
kipper3880: posts big blind $0.25
factofiction: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to k2o4 As8s
Flakjack666: folds
4Dgeneral: folds
foxycoxy: folds
Lievre: folds
k2o4 : raises $0.50 to $0.75
westlock32: folds
scalper4U: folds
kipper3880: calls $0.50

Flop (Pot : $1.60)

   5cJcAh
kipper3880: bets $2
k2o4 : raises $3 to $5
kipper3880: calls $3

Turn (Pot : $11.60)

   5cJcAh2c
kipper3880: checks
k2o4 : checks

River (Pot : $11.60)

   5cJcAh2c6c
scalper4U is sitting out
kipper3880: bets $5.25
scalper4U leaves the table
k2o4 : folds
kipper3880 collected $11.05 from pot

Summary
Total pot $11.60 | Rake $0.55
Board  5cJcAh2c6c
Seat 1: westlock32 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scalper4U (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: kipper3880 (big blind) collected ($11.05)
Seat 5: Flakjack666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 4Dgeneral folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: foxycoxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Lievre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: k2o4 folded on the River


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InnovativeYogis.comLast edit: 22/10/2007 18:36

Maz   Canada. Oct 22 2007 18:52. Posts 345

1. 3bet pre-flop (I think something around ~$4.50 is good, since there is one caller and you're OOP) and cbet this flop (2/3-pot is good). Give up if your cbet is called/raised.
2. This looks fine to me
3. Get it in on the flop, you have a monster hand
4. (Not entirely sure about this hand. Better to wait for other responses, but river is always fold as played)

.Last edit: 22/10/2007 18:54

TianYuan    Korea (South). Oct 22 2007 20:02. Posts 6817

Hand 1 you are turning your hand into a bluff, dunno why.
Hand 2 fine, on the river you beat absolutely nothing except a complete bluff.
Hand 3 push flop.
Hand 4.. A little bigger flop raise probably, but rest is fine. He probably has a flushdraw.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

k2o4   United States. Oct 22 2007 20:48. Posts 4803

ok cool, thanks all

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CrownRoyal   United States. Oct 22 2007 22:00. Posts 11386

wtf brett, just read the comments i posted on all of those hands

WHAT IS THIS 

k2o4   United States. Oct 22 2007 23:16. Posts 4803

I did - they were basically the same as the ones these guys posted, so everyone agrees =)

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ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Oct 23 2007 04:11. Posts 5070

1 3bet pf, as played i hate c/r, he either has 8x, qx or a bluff, you beat 8x and a bluff so you dont get value by raising and qx doesnt fold so you just build a larger pot when you're drawing to 2 outs.
2 fine
3 push flop
4 raise more on flop, turn is good, river i sometimes shove as bluff cuz his bet is so weak and i dont think he has Ac very often but fold is pretty safe since you obv cant call

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