JJ in RR Pot vs Frustrated (seemingly) player

flat and see a overcard on the turn that puts you in an even harder spot? I would just push it.

If thats ur real read from exp Im telling u he is calling here with ANY I repeat ANY PP + AJ/AQ/AK/A3

why the fuck would i make that up

yup push, unless u believe he has a higher overpair, which i don't think he does.

yeah if he's frustrated it's an easy allin

ur read should be fairly strong tho coz a nit is a nit..

and also note he is UTG... but yea this is read dependant.. if you think he is at the stage of calling your 3bets with like 55-99 and if he thinks ur cbetting all the time then this is profitable. hell he might even do this with AK.

id prob fold, when people seem frustrated and play back at you for the first time they tend to have it

just cos youve been 3betting someone doesnt mean theyll hand you your stack with nothing randomly, usually they just take the abuse and you can profit off them in small doses again and again until it become obvious theyve adjusted... then you can start shoving hands like this IMO

On August 07 2007 02:38 Karma wrote: id prob fold, when people seem frustrated and play back at you for the first time they tend to have it just cos youve been 3betting someone doesnt mean theyll hand you your stack with nothing randomly, usually they just take the abuse and you can profit off them in small doses again and again until it become obvious theyve adjusted... then you can start shoving hands like this IMO

this is an extremely good point and i hope anyone reading this thread realizes how incredibly valuable this post is

pure gold gk

I jammed and he folded. This is results oriented, it was a bad play. I do not believe my play was profitable long term and I should have just let him out play me.

On August 06 2007 23:49 mrpav.com wrote: yup push, unless u believe he has a higher overpair, which i don't think he does.

good thinking.

On August 07 2007 10:55 lolgiraffe wrote: I jammed and he folded. This is results oriented, it was a bad play. I do not believe my play was profitable long term and I should have just let him out play me.

oh ya. making the correct read and forcing someone to fold after putting half their chips in the pot is always a bad play. Definitely fold next time.

On August 07 2007 11:01 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2007 10:55 lolgiraffe wrote: I jammed and he folded. This is results oriented, it was a bad play. I do not believe my play was profitable long term and I should have just let him out play me. oh ya. making the correct read and forcing someone to fold after putting half their chips in the pot is always a bad play. Definitely fold next time.

Pretty sure by 'out play me' he meant, 'let him bluff the rest of his chips off'.

On August 06 2007 21:44 capaneo wrote: If thats ur real read from exp Im telling u he is calling here with ANY I repeat ANY PP + AJ/AQ/AK/A3

another thing to note is how weak your flop bet is

you induced a raise by betting so small

On August 07 2007 11:01 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2007 10:55 lolgiraffe wrote: I jammed and he folded. This is results oriented, it was a bad play. I do not believe my play was profitable long term and I should have just let him out play me. oh ya. making the correct read and forcing someone to fold after putting half their chips in the pot is always a bad play. Definitely fold next time.

From a player this nitty, and following what Karma said, I don't think my read can correct enough long term to make this profitable.

Thats true Tim, my Cbet there is fairly weak but I don't think 60% is hideous in a RR pot.

so whats the point of 3betting if u wanna fold that flop

On August 07 2007 02:40 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2007 02:38 Karma wrote: id prob fold, when people seem frustrated and play back at you for the first time they tend to have it just cos youve been 3betting someone doesnt mean theyll hand you your stack with nothing randomly, usually they just take the abuse and you can profit off them in small doses again and again until it become obvious theyve adjusted... then you can start shoving hands like this IMO this is an extremely good point and i hope anyone reading this thread realizes how incredibly valuable this post is pure gold gk

maybe, but u still cant fold here

shove, yawn, rebuy. check back 2 minutes later and notice your stack size is twice when you last checked.

depending on player i shove or flat and all in turn.