Bottom set, Deep 200nl

Thanks for the advice fellas, esp Myth. I obviously misplayed this pf.

Nevertheless, I used all my timebank on the flop and thus made a hasty decision on the turn, and shoved.

He had 89, river blanked.


P.S. MARC 753 is a nit I have him at like 8/4

i totally agree with tom/myth/baal.

there's no way he has anything other than 89 in my mind.

If you going to call $80 you might as well shove the flop, if your going to call that much in an unraised pot, do you really have to think on the turn unless a major scare card comes, like a card that completes the flush or something, but is doesn't matter, its just such a draw heavy board. You need to think bro, don't just call a bet, you need to understand, by calling your going to have around %40 of your chips in there, so you might as well go all in, so if u think your set is good you have to shove, calling is bad here because there's so many draws.

mehhhh i personally think limping 77 is ok (?)
i fold flop tho.

then again i don't know 1/2 so my advice is probably worthless

On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here.

because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............?

calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option

How does your advice change if this is a 6-max table and the same amount of people have limped before, and hand plays to the flop as played in the original hand? Still fold to 3bet on the flop?

On July 25 2007 08:46 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here. because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............? calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option

I don't understand - the 5 is a blank. So why is it still okay to call the flop 3bet then fold to a turn bet?

On July 25 2007 08:33 n0rthf4ce wrote: mehhhh i personally think limping 77 is ok (?) i fold flop tho.

i also agree w/ the limp its fine from time to time

On July 25 2007 10:56 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2007 08:46 Nazgul wrote:   On July 24 2007 06:40 Kapol wrote: Folding turn is NEVER an option here. Why would you call the flop and then fold to a meaningless turn card? Never ever ever ever fold turn here. because 89 makes a straight and youre in position............? calling flop is debatable, folding turn is easily an option I don't understand - the 5 is a blank. So why is it still okay to call the flop 3bet then fold to a turn bet?

it's ok when your opponent 3bets the flop slightly too often, but when he gets called he always gives up with bluffs and other hands you beat.

what nazgul means is that sometimes the flop 3bet isn't enough info to force a fold with a set, but the flop 3bet followed up by a stiff turn bet sometimes is.

there are certainly cases when a flop 3bet and a turn bet still isn't enough to make you fold a set, as well as cases when the flop 3bet on its own is more than enough.

Agreed, I think its ok to call this flop sometimes, because you do indeed have the 7 outs on the flop.

uhh one of those easy spots to fold a set in.

i think limp pre is bad standaerdz BUT I DOnT PLAY 1/2 FR LOL

Here is the rest of the hand.

Sandviper23: bets $150
Babs1337: raises $302 to $452
Sandviper23: calls $152.60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7s Jc Ts 5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sandviper23: shows [8d 9s] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Babs1337: mucks hand
Sandviper23 collected $774.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $777.20 | Rake $3
Board [7s Jc Ts 5h 4h]
Seat 1: FrameLayer (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Turtle-13fd (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: asikking folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Pandochat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MARC 753 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: futilewar folded on the Flop
Seat 7: ronnelcarlo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sandviper23 showed [8d 9s] and won ($774.20) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 9: Babs1337 (button) mucked [7d 7c]


Tough spot deep stack.

On July 24 2007 12:04 [vital]Myth wrote: encourage the fish to play by just calling. really important concept for value extraction in full ring.

what in the world? on this board?

Ive said it before, I'll say it again... Myth is a rockstar

Uhm.. I don't see what's so bad about limping 77 here with many limpers already in. Sets are the nuts almost always so who cares if many people are in?

fullring is disgusting

limpin a 77 esp with fish earlier is great imo, you can get much more is a fish gets an Ace or 2 pair on board and you flop your set.

Also if you raise and theres fish you WILL get a call from Ax or Kx a lot of the times, not including the times that someone limped AA AK or KK from EP.

If you dont flop a set and you got called from Ax and theres a Ace... cont bets will cost you dearly.

Also 77 is a medium PP, you can always stack someone that flops a lower set.

Usually 88-99 are raised

Of course this advice is for a fishy table

kinda wanted Myth or someone better to say how bad/good my thinking is or something, any feedback? because this is a very fundamental concept and I would like to be very clear and sure about it.