[NL50] baby flush + gutshot draw.

Submitted by : Royal_Rumble

Full Tilt Poker Game #3005872409: Table Jacob (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Holdem - 16:29:30 ET - 2007/07/20
Seat 1: Jope87 ($148.30)
Seat 2: easye11 ($50)
Seat 3: badMETAsin ($51.20)
Seat 4: samrob47 ($51.55)
Seat 5: RunningHearts ($61.15)
Seat 6: JONTE2007 ($141.95)
JONTE2007 posts the small blind of $0.25
Jope87 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5

Holecards
Dealt to RunningHearts
easye11 folds
badMETAsin folds
samrob47 raises to $1.75
RunningHearts has 15 seconds left to act
RunningHearts calls $1.75
JONTE2007 folds
Jope87 folds

Flop (Pot : $4.25)

   
samrob47 bets $2.50
RunningHearts has 15 seconds left to act
RunningHearts raises to $7.50
samrob47 has 15 seconds left to act
samrob47 has requested TIME
samrob47 raises to $21
RunningHearts has 15 seconds left to act
RunningHearts calls $13.50

Turn (Pot : $46.25)

   
samrob47 has 15 seconds left to act
samrob47 checks
RunningHearts checks

River (Pot : $46.25)

   
samrob47 checks
RunningHearts has 15 seconds left to act
RunningHearts checks

Showdown
samrob47 shows two pair, Kings and Threes
RunningHearts mucks
samrob47 wins the pot ($43.95) with two pair, Kings and Threes
RunningHearts adds $11.60

Summary
Total pot $46.25 | Rake $2.30
Board:  
Seat 1: Jope87 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: easye11 didnt bet (folded)
Seat 3: badMETAsin didnt bet (folded)
Seat 4: samrob47 showed and won ($43.95) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 5: RunningHearts (button) mucked - a pair of Threes
Seat 6: JONTE2007 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Isn't this the goal of the flop raise
to build pot
fold weak hands and win you a free card on the turn

And if you have no fold equity , then why put your money in as a dog?
So yeah, I like the line

yeah, but there is a weak point in playing this way: what do I do when I miss and he bets the turn?

nah, push the rest in on the flop. if a spade comes on the turn you may not even get paid, and you want to be sure you see 2 cards so just shove it in on the flop. i guess if he's dumb enough to 3bet the flop and then check the turn afterwards there's merit to calling but you're gonna be facing a turn shove the vast majority of the time which you can't call profitable - you're 25% vs TPTK/AA and drawing to 1 out vs a boat here, and by pushing you may be able to fold some shit out on the flop, i.e. air he decided to rebluff with. there's also some people dumb enough to 3bet a hand with showdown value there and fold to a shove (some of them post on this site too "let's put in half my stack and fold to shove! i know where i am when he shoves!" l0l)

do what midian said

one key to think about is FTP rewards aggressively played combo draws, no doubt in my mind the river is the 4 if you shove flop

On July 20 2007 13:53 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: you want to be sure you see 2 cards so just shove it in on the flop.

^^ If you flat here and miss (which you'll do 70+% of the time), you cannot call a turn shove (profitably). This would make your flop call pretty shitty.

Why risk having to fold the turn (which would turn this into an extremely bad play), when you can put all the money in, and make a - at worst - break-even play?