KK folded on safe flop

btw his stats are like:
VP$iP = 26%
PF raise = 10%
Agression factor = 2.17
Went to SD = 40%
(small hands sample, ~50 hands)

You're waaay too commited to fold on the flop. If you wanna fold anywhere, fold to his last reraise preflop. Calling that reraise preflop is committing you to the pot, since you aren't calling that for set value. The only way you're calling that is because you think KK is the best hand. You might as well push preflop.

On February 23 2006 10:31 Twisted wrote: You're waaay too commited to fold on the flop. If you wanna fold anywhere, fold to his last reraise preflop. Calling that reraise preflop is committing you to the pot, since you aren't calling that for set value. The only way you're calling that is because you think KK is the best hand. You might as well push preflop.

i was ready to go if no J,Q or A came, but since the Q came i was way too afraid...

then u should really have pushed preflop!

pot is 50$, he has only 27$ remaining, given the way you played the hand i would have called his push

twisted said it

This would be a horrible laydown on that flop after you pushed all that action. Sure the preflop action pointed towards AA, KK, or QQ, but you gotta call that because your beating JJ and AK at this point. Personally, I would have put him all-in preflop you know that your going to be forced to call the $27 he has left, why not just put it in when you know your probably best.

Edit: Twisted beat me to it -_-;;

this is how you should play KK on this flop
Submitted by : TalentedTom

PokerStars Game #3680744162: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/18 - 20:04:24 (ET)
Table 'Aeria' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: aardvark13 ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 2: mfreenet7 ($34.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Roppongi ($44.15 in chips)
Seat 4: TalentedTom ($68.55 in chips)
Seat 5: battlinbaker ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 6: straate ($66.65 in chips)
Seat 7: franco0115 ($38.70 in chips)
Seat 8: E40TOPI ($35.60 in chips)
Seat 9: oktoplay ($38.10 in chips)
franco0115: posts small blind $0.25
E40TOPI: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TalentedTom ]
oktoplay: folds
aardvark13: folds
mfreenet7: folds
Roppongi: folds
TalentedTom: raises $2.50 to $3
battlinbaker: raises $2.50 to $5.50
straate: folds
franco0115: folds
E40TOPI: folds
TalentedTom: raises $10.50 to $16
battlinbaker: calls $10.50
*** FLOP *** ]
TalentedTom: bets $52.55 and is all-in
battlinbaker: calls $26.95 and is all-in
*** TURN *** ]
*** RIVER *** ]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TalentedTom: shows ] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
battlinbaker: shows ] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
battlinbaker said, "nh"
TalentedTom collected $83.65 from pot
TalentedTom said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $86.65 | Rake $3
Board ]
Seat 1: aardvark13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mfreenet7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Roppongi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TalentedTom showed ] and won ($83.65) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
Seat 5: battlinbaker showed ] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 6: straate (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: franco0115 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: E40TOPI (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: oktoplay folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Put the pressure on them, stop reacting to your opponents. Take the initiative and be the aggresor. If they call 50% of their stack preflop and you have KK you should preety much go all in blind regardless of the flop for their remaning 50BB's.

calling his last reraise pf is really bad, either push (99%) or fold.

Call, does not matter what he has.

call because your money was already in PF

i've never made thsi fold in my life
and i never will

you played this hand like a fish, you commited yourself to pretty much going all in regardless of the flop's outcome, then you pussied out cause you were scared that you might be 'outflopped'.

terrible fold after preflop play.

Well I think you get the picture.... But this problem could have all been solved by better preflop play. You bet out 1.75 he raises 3.50 to 4.50(which isnt a very good or bad raise) but then you min raise him 3.50 more..... What exactly did you do that for? so that he could reraise you again with AA? well if thats the case why didnt you fold? Also I hate that min raise, raise him to like 12-15$ here and maybe he will just push and make it easier on you.

all in

out of interest, what did he have?

If you put half your stack in with KK preflop, then you might as well get the rest of it in. Don't play pussy poker

On February 27 2006 09:38 sucker wrote: out of interest, what did he have?

AK (at least he said that)

On February 27 2006 13:13 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2006 09:38 sucker wrote: out of interest, what did he have? AK (at least he said that)

i dont doubt it, he prob did have AK

AK or AQ, should of pushed pf with his raise