Flop size prob bit bigger multi way but turn good spot for c/jam? Would be giving up here sometimes so should have some hands can check/continue with and would expect most to bet there pair/gutters, good/bad?

very much dislike checkjam.

If you consider his perceived range in this spot, in his shoes i would be checking turn with AQ 100% once you check the turn, because i expect you to pot controll KK-AA in this spot, and my checkcall/ check range needs to match up with any range that is bet/check/betting from you. Mind you i know some very good regs that would bet/check/check KK-AA in this spot as they except a check jam with JJ/QQ and some bluffs if they bet on the river.

So yeah i think vs a decent reg, checkjamming KK here is very -ev, your just going to be burning money into JJ/QQ a ton.

totally player dependant..

but this guy isnt even fullstacked i dont think balance is even an issue

well if he's a fish then i just prefer 3barreling

he is reg from what I have seen, have played lot of hands with him, seems to enjoy flatting cbets in 3b pots

On December 26 2012 15:57 Stroggoz wrote: very much dislike checkjam. If you consider his perceived range in this spot, in his shoes i would be checking turn with AQ 100% once you check the turn, because i expect you to pot controll KK-AA in this spot, and my checkcall/ check range needs to match up with any range that is bet/check/betting from you. Mind you i know some very good regs that would bet/check/check KK-AA in this spot as they except a check jam with JJ/QQ and some bluffs if they bet on the river. So yeah i think vs a decent reg, checkjamming KK here is very -ev, your just going to be burning money into JJ/QQ a ton.

i try reading middle sentence few times but kinda confused

basically what im saying is, if villian bets the turn with AQ once you check the turn, they bet into a range that has stronger value hands.

And villian sets themself up to get exploited on the river since they now don't have AQ to call with on the river, and you can have KK/AA to vbet river, and you can bluff there more also.

My main point is that his range is far too strong for you to check/jam turn for value

Sorry im not good at explaining this clearly :S

you did great stroggoz, can also finish on that "My main point is that his range is far too strong for you to check/jam turn for value" ^^

On December 26 2012 15:57 Stroggoz wrote: very much dislike checkjam. If you consider his perceived range in this spot, in his shoes i would be checking turn with AQ 100% once you check the turn, because i expect you to pot controll KK-AA in this spot, and my checkcall/ check range needs to match up with any range that is bet/check/betting from you. Mind you i know some very good regs that would bet/check/check KK-AA in this spot as they except a check jam with JJ/QQ and some bluffs if they bet on the river. So yeah i think vs a decent reg, checkjamming KK here is very -ev, your just going to be burning money into JJ/QQ a ton.

So villain originally flats an utg open on the button, then calls once on the flop MW, and you think the primary hands he has that he's going to keep putting money in with are QQ and JJ? QQ isn't necessarily in his range, but AQ most certainly is and with more combos. AQ should pay us off often if we just bet turn, bet river.

Basically I think AQ is a much bigger part of his range than QQ and JJ, but I think the best line is bet bet bet.

i don't see how any line except bet/bet/shove here is best unless we have some specific history or reasoning...plus it's rush poker. niggas suck

now understand more Stroggoz, thanks for more explanation. I was thinking in time that he was type to flat flop and fold this turn really often but bet alot when checked to, felt like he would be the type to also raise his sets in this spot but read on that isn't very solid.

Thanks for input