PokerStars Zoom Hand #125116155830: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2014/11/14 16:03:08 PT [2014/11/14 19:03:08 ET]
Table Klinkenberg 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 2: K-Pavl ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 3: zardoz53 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Flamenkin25 ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Hmelnyickij ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 6: karambat ($25.09 in chips)
K-Pavl: posts small blind $0.05
zardoz53: posts big blind $0.10
Holecards
Dealt to Hero 
Flamenkin25: folds
Hmelnyickij: folds
karambat: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
K-Pavl: folds
zardoz53: calls $0.20
Flop (Pot : $0.65)
zardoz53: bets $0.40
Hero: calls $0.40
Turn (Pot : $1.45)
zardoz53: checks
Hero: bets $1
zardoz53: calls $1
River (Pot : $3.45)
zardoz53: bets $1.80
Hero: raises $6.80 to $8.60 and is all-in
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Trav94 Canada. Nov 14 2014 19:29. Posts 1785 | | |
Only 9 hands on villain, but appears to be a passive fish... idk if this river raise is good when he donks? Also should have bet bigger on turn obviously. |
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4TM United States. Nov 15 2014 04:24. Posts 712 | | | |
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BlizzY Slovakia. Nov 15 2014 06:34. Posts 805 | | |
In vaacum I don't like this shove and as you don't have any relevant info after 9 hands, I think river is a flat.
After seeing line donk , check/call, donk and backdoor flush getting there you should be at least suspicious as it seems like all hearts combos are very much in his range. Also 43 and 97 got there and if he is a fish you have to put it in his range. I think more often than not when you get called, you will get shown a hand that beats you and it would seem weird for him to play a naked 5 like this. Sure the river bet seems like block bet but also like he wants value from his hand so I wouldn't autoshove here happily. |
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fira United States. Nov 15 2014 07:42. Posts 6345 | | |
i'm confused... are we bluffing or valueshoving?
it seems like he will fold anything worse and call anything better, esp if he's a passive fish. he might fold the straight but... i feel like our hand is too strong to turn into bluff
i agree with flat |
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BlizzY Slovakia. Nov 15 2014 07:47. Posts 805 | | |
| | On November 15 2014 06:42 fira wrote:
i'm confused... are we bluffing or valueshoving?
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lol, was exactly my thoughts when looking at the hand :D I thought it might be a good bluff against nit, then read the description. "Value"shove here without strong read is going to be spew |
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4TM United States. Nov 15 2014 16:00. Posts 712 | | |
If he is a fish this feels like a blocker bet with an 8. Its been my experience that fish have trouble bet folding here even if that's what they set out to do.
Also flop donk is consistent with lots of 8's. |
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Trav94 Canada. Nov 15 2014 16:06. Posts 1785 | | |
Obviously I was value shoving, why would I bluff a fish here |
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he tanked for 5 seconds, afraid of the flush - then called with straight to the 6 |
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Trav94 Canada. Nov 15 2014 17:18. Posts 1785 | | |
| | On November 15 2014 15:19 devon06atX wrote:
he tanked for 5 seconds, afraid of the flush - then called with straight to the 6 |
snapped A2hh |
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fira United States. Nov 15 2014 17:32. Posts 6345 | | |
i don't really like the term fish tbh, it's too broad and basically means 'a player who i think plays worse than me.'
however labeling someone as passive will lead me to believe he's not leading over half pot with top pair on a 3flush + straight board |
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lebowski Greece. Nov 15 2014 17:33. Posts 9205 | | |
yeah he could also have all boats with this line flat is best |
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Clearly not a good value raise |
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Trav94 Canada. Nov 16 2014 02:37. Posts 1785 | | |
I guess I'm just optimistic that fish can call me really light.... |
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