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Handnr: 1032750
Submitted by : Mariuslol

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 03, 12:11:33 ET 2014
Table Kapteynia III Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $64.39 USD - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 0,9, Hands: 90
Seat 2: Player2 $57.88 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 12, AF: 4,4, Hands: 275
Seat 3: Player3 $30.64 USD - VPIP: 16, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 8,0, Hands: 127
Seat 4: Player4 $14.81 USD - VPIP: 33, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 1,0, Hands: 201
Seat 5: Hero $30.82 USD - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 3,0, Hands: 13489
Seat 6: Player6 $19.37 USD - VPIP: 53, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 0,7, Hands: 76
Player6 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [KcQs ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.75 USD]
Hero raises [$2.00 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Player4 calls [$1.25 USD]

Flop (Pot : $4.35)

   6s9d4c
Player4 checks
Hero checks

Turn (Pot : $4.35)

   6s9d4cKs
Player4 checks
Hero bets [$3.00 USD]
Player4 raises [$6.00 USD]
Hero calls [$3.00 USD]

River (Pot : $16.35)

   6s9d4cKsAs
Player4 bets [$6.81 USD]

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Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 03 2014 15:53. Posts 4742

Hmmm!!

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goose58   United States. Apr 03 2014 18:16. Posts 871

I'd 3bet bigger, bet the flop, bet the turn.

As played I'm calling / taking a note, although maybe it's a fold, like he has a flush or Ax/AK. Weird spot.


Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 03 2014 20:41. Posts 4742

why 3b higher, im in position, isnt it best to have it smaller?


goose58   United States. Apr 03 2014 21:08. Posts 871

It's standard to go 3x+1bb in position, and 3x+2bb-4x OOP, which is about pot size IP and bigger than pot OOP. 3bet bigger the deeper you are and smaller the shallower.

You 3bet bigger because A) you want to get value and B) you want to deny your opponent good pot odds.


Mariuslol   Norway. Apr 04 2014 07:45. Posts 4742

Weird, dont see it like that, i 3b less, since I want the power of being in position to be more effective, i want my 3b bluff to earn me a few BB, and it doesn't feel like people want to call oop, regardless if it's a few BB's left.

I also sent a few pms to a few crushers at mid stakes, and most ppl told me to adapt, but maybe do a few clicks less when ip, and a few clicks more oop.

And don't we 3b more, when oop, since we not only want the initative, but we want to reduce the power of position, and get more stack in?

I used to do it like that, but ill need more ppls opinion and explanation lol, the only mistake i do now is that, sometimes i fuck up, and i want to do 8-9BB in pos, and 11-12OOP but i fuck up and do small 3b oop, and sometimes large IP lol


goose58   United States. Apr 04 2014 14:00. Posts 871

How does 3betting smaller make position more effective? The most effective bluff is the bluff that gets our opponent to fold. The most effective value bet gets the most value it can get.

Position is already effective, intrinsically. Sure, we want SPR in position, but not at the expense of losing value, and allowing people to draw for cheap(and correctly).

Just IMO, many styles/sizings can be successful.


 

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