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Oly   United Kingdom. Dec 25 2007 15:05. Posts 3585

I don't know if similar has been posted before, but in case anyone finds it interesting im posting it.

Since I'm drunk and bored and the family is watching telly, I decided to find the frequency with which I wish an opponent to fold in different situations, hoping that I might find a rule of thumb to estimate the value of a semibluff.

Using some basic algebra and probability you find...


Let F = The regularity (as a fraction of 1) with which I need my opponent to fold for a push to be breakeven
Let e = my chance of winning at showdown
Let r = the size of effective remaining stacks divided by the pot size

so F = [1-e(r+2)]/[1+r-e(r+2)]

so immediately we can use F=0 when e=1/(r+2)


some common examples:

Let r=1, so our push is potsized
Then it's profitable to shove if we are at least 33% to win (obviously I spose)
If we are 20% to win (5 outs region), we need opponent to fold only 28.6% of the time.

Let r=0.5, so our push is twice pot
We need 40% chance of winning to not care if opponent folds now.
If we are a mere 20% to win, we require opponent to fold 50% of the time.

Let r=2, so we're shoving for half pot
Now we only need 25% equity to not need fold equity.
If we are a miserable 10% to win, we need our opponent to fold 30% of the time.


I cant be bothered to write any more as I want to get drinking again, but I found this interesting and that it highlights the value of aggressive play.

Apologies if I rambled some or if it is all totally obvious to you.

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21drful   United States. Dec 25 2007 15:22. Posts 400

interesting

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Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. Dec 25 2007 15:41. Posts 4697

interesting, thanks.


iamalex   United States. Dec 25 2007 16:11. Posts 1556

Immediately reminded me of Rhaegar's article


Stygg   Sweden. Dec 25 2007 16:46. Posts 2347

i dont understand a word of this

and i'm sober!

maybe i just dont want to understand


Forrest Gump   Argentina. Dec 25 2007 17:07. Posts 1217

eh? at christmas the FE is very low

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Kilay   Netherlands. Dec 25 2007 17:32. Posts 1960

Same here iamalex hehe, always nice to read some good Christmass rambling hehe


DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Dec 25 2007 19:03. Posts 8623

that's like, the reason push-happieness works.


TimDawg    United States. Dec 25 2007 21:56. Posts 10197

meh, math is shit

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YoMeR   United States. Dec 25 2007 22:27. Posts 12438

laughs at the thought of fold equity during christmas.

eZ Life. 

kantoiki   Australia. Dec 25 2007 22:38. Posts 3818

lol fe in xmas are you srs?

to op ty for the informative post, merry xmas

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