KK facing PSB

hey!
Hand was played on ipoker, I basically have no reads on villan (almost don’t play there).

After 74 hands he seems to be aggro solid reg.
My image was solid, passive 24/19.

Pre flop and flop looks standard for me. He snap called my flop cbet, so I put him on semi weak/air type hand. Felt like I only can take one more bet from him, but he is folding to most of my turn bets. Thats why I check/call turn.
He bets 1/2pot so it was great for me b'cos I think I can rep really weak hand and maybe make him bluff on the river again. I was thinking of check/push if he would bet 1/2pot again (good? bad?)

But instead he made pot size bet on the river, fairly quick
what now?

Submitted by : Soprano

Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $1009.00 USD - VPIP: 38, PFR: 27, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 74
Seat 5: Player5 $294.75 USD - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 0.4, Hands: 118
Seat 6: Hero $1025.00 USD -
Seat 10: Player10 $996.00 USD - VPIP: 38, PFR: 27, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 74
Player1 posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$10.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Hero raises [$30.00 USD]
Player10 calls [$30.00 USD]
Player1 folds
Player5 folds

Flop (Pot : $75.00)

   
Hero bets [$50.00 USD]
Player10 calls [$50.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $175.00)

   
Hero checks
Player10 bets [$87.50 USD]
Hero calls [$87.50 USD]

River (Pot : $350.00)

   
Hero checks
Player10 bets [$350.00 USD]
Hero ??

I play nl10 atm but I don't see how can u do anything other than call. c/shoving seems suicidal.

On the other hand: between PSB and 3/4pot bet on river there is only 3% differences I need to be good to make it ev=0

But still people doesn't use it often and usually PSB in this kind of spots it's very rarely a semi-light value bet (77, 99 etc), it's usually very strong or bluff.
IMO of course

I'm confused with this bet

He's polarized, you're confused and underrepping massively

Click call

i dont love the turn 6 as his 3 equity floats (57 67 56) either dont turn themselves into bluffs or now beat you. therefore unless he shows up with 99-JJ on occasion, we really only beat a bluff. this is actually a lot closer than people think. i think to get a better idea of what to do here you need to post more detailed stats on his button call open frequency and button 3bet%.

edit: and fold to cbet stat too, prob the most important of all

Do u mind spelling it out for me daut? I've always loved ur indepth analysts.

But a 3 bet of 5 percent is prob ak aa Kk qq and a few random junk hands but does having higher or lower 3 bet stat really help us and why? Does lower 3 bet mean we are prone to calling as this can be a value shove with qq?

Also flatting ranges may be wide but does it matter? I feel like the float range u mentioned Plus a few more suited connecs 45 to 9t and a bunch of pairs are the majority of the range to the river. Ppl with wider ranges just fold a larger percentage of hands on such a wide board no?

God this is what I'm dieing to learn. Picking perfect lines are ez once u develop reads and feelings of ranges

As I mentioned before, by that time I only had less than 80hands on him so basically no reads

At the end of a session it was:
240 hands
button call open 5% (22 hands)
button 3bet 5%
fold to cbet 60% (15 hands)

On August 11 2011 20:04 GoTuNk wrote: I play nl10 atm but I don't see how can u do anything other than call. c/shoving seems suicidal.

ban

is villain capable of thin value bets? I feel check/calling here isn't a bad play at all. villain can be value betting worse/following through on a float. your line really looks like a busted over card cbet/give up or a weakish 1 pair hand that wants a showdown.

i call

You have to pay off and suck it up IMO. We do not have enough information to determine whether this player might bluff this spot but we do know he's floating flop often enough and you literally have top of your checking range. If ur mucking here, it means ur mucking everything. He may even be sizing his betsize tricky with over pair he decided to flat pre to induce 3bet from BB who has very high 3bet %.

Yea i agree you have to call, not enough info and you did checked the turn so, his bet is weird but doesn't 100% means he have a 8, i've seen a lot of shit here.

;-0 his small turn bet he either wants to induce a CR or is betting for info (in the sence that if you dont reraise, hes gonna nuke bunch of rivers) - in either case you can call and learn a little bit about how he thinks. It's also very conceivable that he can be value betting 99-JJ (posibbly 77) here. Since you made ur hand look like a marginal bluffcatcher

thx

I'd just bet bet bet for value, he so often has a hand that can call but as played I think you have to call as you're at the top of your range and you don't know anywhere near enough about him to make a hero-fold

On August 12 2011 05:50 SpasticInk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2011 20:04 GoTuNk wrote: I play nl10 atm but I don't see how can u do anything other than call. c/shoving seems suicidal. ban

?

Its not like he posted something retarded. OP mentioned c/shoving, and he came to the right conclusion. Is this a ban in anticipation of future retardation?

On August 18 2011 16:02 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2011 05:50 SpasticInk wrote:   On August 11 2011 20:04 GoTuNk wrote: I play nl10 atm but I don't see how can u do anything other than call. c/shoving seems suicidal. ban ? Its not like he posted something retarded. OP mentioned c/shoving, and he came to the right conclusion. Is this a ban in anticipation of future retardation?

Yes, agree. He is a friend and I was joking (mostly). Relax. He was not banned from LP.net (just posting in high stakes threads)...