4 hands vs the infamous DerekJC9954

Playing at Palomar yesterday in a pretty soft 5/10 line up. It was me and DerekJC9954, ran into four pretty weird spots vs him. He's been fairly tight vs me in previous sessions, and has been playing a pretty good solid style overall. No real relevant history before these hands other than I'm up and he's a little stuck. These hands happen in a span of an hour and a half in this order (so maybe you can get some history from that). Before we dive into it, I flat instead of 3bet all these hands because of the two players in the blinds are REALLY bad and I want them in as well.

Hand 1:
Effective stacks ~$2500
DerekJC raises to $30 in hijack, I flat button with on the button, fishy player calls in SB.
Flop: (Pot: $100)
DerekJC bets $70, I call, SB folds.
Turn: (Pot: $240)
DerekJC bets $180, I call.
River: (Pot: $600)
DerekJC bets $500. I...

Hand 2:
Effective stacks ~$3000
DerekJC raises to $30 in hijack, I flat on button with , BB flats.
Flop: (Pot: $95)
DerekJC bets $50. I call. BB folds.
Turn: (Pot: $195)
DerekJC bets $125. I call.
River: (Pot: $445)
DerekJC bets $250. I...

Hand 3:
Effective stacks ~$3000
DerekJC raises to $30 in hijack, I flat on button with . Heads up
Flop: ($75)
DerekJC bets $50. I call.
Turn: ($175)
DerekJC bets $125. I call.
River: ($425)
DerekJC bets $325. I...

Hand 4:
Effective stacks ~$3000
DerekJC raises to $30 in hijack, I flat on button with . Heads up
Flop: ($75)
DerekJC bets $45. I call.
Turn: ($165)
DerekJC bets $115. I call.
River: ($295)
DerekJC bets $325. I...

Probably important to know what happens in the previous hands for decisions on 2,3, and 4. So:

Hand 1:
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Hand 2:
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Hand 3:
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Hand 4:
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hand 1 i'd either raise flop or turn, his bets are too small and a good price for him for cheap cards, expect to get called from a strong Q, weaker K and strong draws

hand 2 a lot of the time i raise turn and play my equity strong, nothing wrong with just calling for sure, asplayed gross spot kinda looks like he has a valuehand like AQ or 2 pair something like that

hand 3 i raise turn a lot too, not as much as the KKx hand, as played i'd just call, also interesting he coolers and sucks out on you every other hand

hand 4 already saw the spoiler but vs his overbet i'd fold

Btw interesting to note he bets real big on river with the real hands and the only time he folded was when he bet smallish

hand 1, i'm shoving. dereks checking QQ on flop a lot and he's mucking everything but KQ against ur first splash

hand 2, i'm folding after shoving in hand 1. if i mucked hand 1, i'm raising here.

hand 3, gross spot. ur hands never good unless he's getting creative specially after those 2 river bets (bluff or not) but i'd be lying if i said i'll muck here. he could be value betting worse specially if he doesn't think ur splashy

hand 4, snap muck

i dont want to out all my thought processes but i agree with andrew on every detail except shoving in 1st hand. its prob viable but id have to think more about it. also i hate calling in hand 3 but its just the best hand we can have and were gonna have a lot of weaker ones. if ur not the type to flat sets and flushes on the flop a ton i definitlely think a call is in order.

1. call
2. only spot i like raising here, and ill only do it sometimes, otherwise fold, call is terrible
3. call
4. fold, though call is not far behind

yeah very good reply from Andrew

Hand 1 I'm not sure I like shoving. But everything else from Andrew I pretty much agree with. I'm guessing that you don't think a boat plays like that / he always has some kind of flush in his range.

The funny thing is, in Hand 1 my first reaction was: "lol shove", and then I thought about it for like 2 minutes and felt like his range is a lil too top heavy (??)

I'm drunk right now but I like the feedback. k thx

I think playing pretty straight up is the best you could do here in calling with hand 1,3 folding hand 4 and hand 2 is 50/50 imo.

I'd play every hand like u did except I'd fold the last one

On June 13 2011 01:19 Fayth wrote: I'd play every hand like u did except I'd fold the last one

hand 1: i dunno, very tough. i dont think he vbets KT like this on river. pretty polarized range so i think i fold given the runout/texture. kinda looks like you have a king or flush so i doubt he just 3 barrels a wide range
hand 2: i like raising
hand 3: i call, he can have worse Tx enough combined with bluffs to make it profitable to look him up.
hand 4: i fold turn i think, 99 just plays kinda bad there even in position. def fold river.

i think raising river in hand 2 sucks. if i decide to turn my hand into a bluff it will be to raise turn and overbet river. hand 3 pretty ez call hand 4 pretty ez fold hand 1 idk flip a coin, prob call cause im a station.

i dont see the reasoning behind raising river in hand 2 besides "well i have Ks and my hand prob isn't good". what in the world are we repping? surprised so many ppl like it.

On July 10 2011 08:04 n0rthf4ce wrote: i dont see the reasoning behind raising river in hand 2 besides "well i have Ks and my hand prob isn't good". what in the world are we repping? surprised so many ppl like it.

Turn call River bluff is cheaper/more effective then turn raise because bluffing river against JC wouldn't be too good after he calls turn IMO. You may have been already ahead on the turn and he might've shut down on river. There's not many hands he's re-eval/folding river that he bet/calls turn. Maybe AQ with Q spade but you shouldn't be sure he'd fold that once he calls turn. I don't think its smart to spew off ur entire stack when he might never even fold top set.

Your repping straight/any flush on river. not sure if that was your indirect way of saying you'd flat with straight/lowflush on the river =P

Derek's turn bet is polarized in his own eye when in fact he's value betting thinner/bluffing then most. cosmo's river raise would put question on derek on how cosmo interpreted his turn bet. He may wonder if cosmo's river play is semi-thin for value or nutted but it won't come across bluffy at least to me.

*fold

On July 11 2011 19:21 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2011 08:04 n0rthf4ce wrote: i dont see the reasoning behind raising river in hand 2 besides "well i have Ks and my hand prob isn't good". what in the world are we repping? surprised so many ppl like it. Turn call River bluff is cheaper/more effective then turn raise because bluffing river against JC wouldn't be too good after he calls turn IMO. You may have been already ahead on the turn and he might've shut down on river. There's not many hands he's re-eval/folding river that he bet/calls turn. Maybe AQ with Q spade but you shouldn't be sure he'd fold that once he calls turn. I don't think its smart to spew off ur entire stack when he might never even fold top set. Your repping straight/any flush on river. not sure if that was your indirect way of saying you'd flat with straight/lowflush on the river =P Derek's turn bet is polarized in his own eye when in fact he's value betting thinner/bluffing then most. cosmo's river raise would put question on derek on how cosmo interpreted his turn bet. He may wonder if cosmo's river play is semi-thin for value or nutted but it won't come across bluffy at least to me. *fold

I don't really see many ppl raise the river semi-thin for value on this type of board texture. If they have that kind of dynamic then that's pretty cool. In essence, yes I would never be taking this line (call, call, raise 3x) vs this player so your middle paragraph is correct. If I wanted to take a thinner value line it would be to raise turn and bet/fold river and so that goes pretty well with my other bluffline. I think I like my line better because a turn raise threatens our opponent's entire stack, and pressure is pretty cool. In my mind this line reps very little but I guess I'm wrong