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env0y_nl   Netherlands. May 30 2011 13:16. Posts 226

just reached final table out of 547entrees,
BB is a 26/17ish player over about 110 hands
i thought minraises in this stage of the game were ok, but apperantly not
i dont know how i screw up everytime on FT or right before it, its just 1$ but it hurts my confidence.
Submitted by : env0y_nl

Full Tilt Poker Game #30788203582: $1 + $0.10 Multi-Rush OD (239012047), Table 87 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:30:22 ET - 2011/05/30
Seat 1: QuietDedication (106,503)
Seat 2: Hulk31269 (69,058)
Seat 3: bigsam2011 (108,749)
Seat 4: Bane407 (41,170)
Seat 5: baskiz (134,843)
Seat 6: highcardacek (110,810)
Seat 7: Robinflookieboy (109,854)
Seat 8: dspot85 (110,373)
Seat 9: lineangel (29,140)
QuietDedication antes 600
Hulk31269 antes 600
bigsam2011 antes 600
Bane407 antes 600
baskiz antes 600
highcardacek antes 600
Robinflookieboy antes 600
dspot85 antes 600
lineangel antes 600
Hulk31269 posts the small blind of 2,500
bigsam2011 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to QuietDedication7cTc
Bane407 folds
baskiz has 15 seconds left to act
baskiz has timed out
baskiz folds
baskiz is sitting out
highcardacek folds
Robinflookieboy folds
dspot85 folds
lineangel folds
baskiz has returned
QuietDedication raises to 10,000
Hulk31269 folds
bigsam2011 calls 5,000

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $27,900.00)

   Ts3h3d
bigsam2011 bets 10,000
QuietDedication raises to 95,903, and is all in
bigsam2011 calls 85,903
QuietDedication shows7cTc
bigsam2011 shows8dTd

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $219,706.00)

   Ts3h3d6s

River (Pot : $219,706.00)

   Ts3h3d6s4d
QuietDedication shows two pair, Tens and Threes
bigsam2011 shows two pair, Tens and Threes
bigsam2011 wins the pot (219,706) with two pair, Tens and Threes

Summary
Total pot 219,706 | Rake 0
Board:Ts3h3d6s4d
Seat 1: QuietDedication (button) showed7cTc and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 2: Hulk31269 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: bigsam2011 (big blind) showed8dTd and won (219,706) with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 4: Bane407 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: baskiz folded before the Flop
Seat 6: highcardacek folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Robinflookieboy folded before the Flop
Seat 8: dspot85 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: lineangel folded before the Flop


Conquer, but dont triumphLast edit: 30/05/2011 13:19

Liquid`Drone   Norway. May 30 2011 14:44. Posts 2121

I think how much you bet pre is mostly just personal preference as long as it's between 2 and 2.6 or so. but I do think geenerally, you should bet slightly more than a minraise (it can be 10800) because some people are just principally like "fuck you minraiser" and refuse to fold - but they might fold if you make it 1.1 bb more instead of 1 bb more.

I don't really think you can fold on the flop but that's all read dependant. top pair button vs blind and less than 20bb is tough to let go of ever though - it's kinda like, after you notice you might be beat you're too comitted to let go. (and that's also why it doesn't matter that much whether you push or raise, if you make it 40k instead then you're prolly supposed to call even if he shows you t8 and pushes. not doing math, but I'd expect calling for the split to be +ev in this event.)

lol POKERLast edit: 31/05/2011 10:52

pluzich   . May 31 2011 08:00. Posts 807

There's very little you can do about this hand. If you know the other guy is defending his BB a lot you can fold that hand.


env0y_nl   Netherlands. May 31 2011 08:49. Posts 226

thanks drone,
i was rasing between 2 and 2.5 all tourney so good i wasnt doing anything wrong but got very unlucky loosing this hand, cause i was thinking before i jammed that we could at least split if he called.

Conquer, but dont triumph 

chris   United States. May 31 2011 11:23. Posts 5299

normally i flat the flop

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

ggplz   Sweden. Jun 01 2011 19:51. Posts 16212

i call and play the turn here.
what do u think he's leading with? how is he playing those hands vs a raise?

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

chris   United States. Jun 01 2011 20:39. Posts 5299

moneys likely going in here, but if he is bluffing you allow him to barrel a turn instead of letting him fold

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

thewh00sel    United States. Jun 03 2011 03:59. Posts 2609

i dont think i would flat flop i would probably raise him an amount he could shove over with a bluff and an amount you can shove without overbetting the turn if he just calls.

A government is the most dangerous threat to manís rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

TalentedTom    Canada. Jun 03 2011 10:53. Posts 19822

shoving on such a dry board is preeety spazzy.. your gonna get stacked here almost awlays but make a reraise instead of shoving give him a chance to respazz

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

chris   United States. Jun 03 2011 18:44. Posts 5299


  On June 03 2011 03:59 thewh00sel wrote:
i dont think i would flat flop i would probably raise him an amount he could shove over with a bluff and an amount you can shove without overbetting the turn if he just calls.



i actually like this better

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

Bullshit   Canada. Jun 05 2011 08:16. Posts 653

24k/call


env0y_nl   Netherlands. Jun 05 2011 20:01. Posts 226

i didnt want to flat on this flop cause u dont get any information with a J+ turn besides is passive.
i think the best way was to make a thin raise and call a shove...but anyways this turbo rush on demand are so high variance,
i just got kicked out of another final table just ago lol.
Submitted by : env0y_nl

Full Tilt Poker Game #30901150394: $1 + $0.10 Multi-Rush OD (239897704), Table 28 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:51:33 ET - 2011/06/05
Seat 1: dikkewillem (33,500)
Seat 2: firfirfir (111,208)
Seat 3: Carolina Maya (191,532)
Seat 4: picante32 (15,972), is sitting out
Seat 5: loonia (35,050)
Seat 6: toky94 (68,783)
Seat 7: pagun50 (50,600)
Seat 8: QuietDedication (134,021)
Seat 9: Kratos 110 (5,834)
dikkewillem antes 400
firfirfir antes 400
Carolina Maya antes 400
picante32 antes 400
loonia antes 400
toky94 antes 400
pagun50 antes 400
QuietDedication antes 400
Kratos 110 antes 400
dikkewillem posts the small blind of 1,500
firfirfir posts the big blind of 3,000
The button is in seat #9

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to QuietDedicationKdKs
Carolina Maya raises to 6,000
picante32 folds
loonia folds
toky94 folds
picante32 has returned
pagun50 folds
QuietDedication raises to 26,100
Kratos 110 folds
dikkewillem folds
firfirfir folds
pagun50 has been disconnected
Carolina Maya calls 20,100

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $60,300.00)

   5hTh5d
Carolina Maya checks
pagun50 has reconnected
QuietDedication bets 107,521, and is all in
Carolina Maya calls 107,521
QuietDedication showsKdKs
Carolina Maya showsTcTs
pagun50 has been disconnected

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $275,342.00)

   5hTh5d9d

River (Pot : $275,342.00)

   5hTh5d9dQc
QuietDedication: WTF
QuietDedication shows two pair, Kings and Fives
Carolina Maya shows a full house, Tens full of Fives
Carolina Maya wins the pot (275,342) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
QuietDedication: WTF
QuietDedication: WTF

Summary
Total pot 275,342 | Rake 0
Board:5hTh5d9dQc
Seat 1: dikkewillem (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: firfirfir (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Carolina Maya showedTcTs and won (275,342) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Seat 4: picante32 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: loonia folded before the Flop
Seat 6: toky94 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: pagun50 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: QuietDedication showedKdKs and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 9: Kratos 110 (button) folded before the Flop



Conquer, but dont triumphLast edit: 05/06/2011 20:07

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Jun 05 2011 20:05. Posts 2121

the kk hand is an easy bet call, no point in pushing. I mean you're never supposed to fold, but it's so much better to bet 35k+ push turn than to overbet push the flop.

lol POKER 

thewh00sel    United States. Jun 05 2011 23:45. Posts 2609


 
Carolina Maya raises to 6,000
picante32 folds
loonia folds
toky94 folds
picante32 has returned
pagun50 folds
QuietDedication raises to 26,100



That's way too big of a 3bet even for a $1. 18k is plenty and arguably too big too.

A government is the most dangerous threat to manís rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

env0y_nl   Netherlands. Jun 06 2011 07:41. Posts 226

so what would you raise PF? and do op later streets whoosel? I guess i did it because i didnt want a confrontation with him yet, but only with the lower stacks,
so theres about 18k in the pot before i 3bet, and if i raise to 18k he has to call 12k into a 36k pot, isnt that odds for him to call with much suited crap and lower pairs and outflop me?

Conquer, but dont triumph 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Jun 06 2011 08:55. Posts 2121

you want him to call with suited crap. it's not a cashgame, you're sitting 45 bb deep. someone calling off 1/7.5 of their stack pre is awesome. 18k would be good I think - and you really do have FE with just another 12k as well. in fact, when I watch "bad" tournament players lose big stacks, it tends to be because they just keep losing chips because they constantly feel "priced in" the pot. you want to price people in yourself.

lol POKER 

pluzich   . Jun 07 2011 04:12. Posts 807

^+1
He does not have implied odds for calling with suited connectors or small pairs.


env0y_nl   Netherlands. Jun 07 2011 06:11. Posts 226

you guys are right, thx for commenting, i intend to push the pot button some times, wich is not good in this formats i think, i feel i have small leakes when im in the money, i dont think its hard to get there but, and i think i have a edge over the average players but to often i get into the money and i scew up with betsizing or i also rely to much on small sample stats and im to often confrontate myself with 50/20 players because i think they are weak, when they are not,
The KK i played way to agressive, i m thinkin about buying tableninja cause this betsizing leaks starts to annoy me

Conquer, but dont triumph 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 09 2011 01:49. Posts 6903

haha i like that overbet jam


GameOverNoob   Canada. Jun 14 2011 19:38. Posts 946

In hand 1 I agree with everyone I guess. I don't like to raise 2x in micros cause the reality is that people do have the Fu minraise attitude and the .1-3 may have ended the hand pre. I personally would have fc flop cause a don't see most players donk bet bluffing on paired boards. Fold to turn bet/ check. I'm not sure about the river play if checked... Youre usually either up against an underpair, naked ace or better 10. Since u have majority of his holdings beat I think I would check ur always getting looked up by his 10

Hand 2 I really like your line. Money play!!

@lehgoboy 

 




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