advice miniftops #3 spot

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Full Tilt Poker Game #28825741962: MiniFTOPS Event #3 (213061104), Table 749 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:53:57 ET - 2011/03/07
Seat 1: Dep0rWanka (101,095)
Seat 2: rutenij (91,742)
Seat 3: NuggetMaster420 (38,006)
Seat 4: TopFlite06 (19,346)
Seat 5: Hero (81,093)
Seat 6: delysid6 (50,616)
Seat 7: Kripp85 (102,294)
Seat 8: poplovok (45,545)
Seat 9: Chauvinator (91,881)
Dep0rWanka antes 250
rutenij antes 250
NuggetMaster420 antes 250
TopFlite06 antes 250
Hero antes 250
delysid6 antes 250
Kripp85 antes 250
poplovok antes 250
Chauvinator antes 250
rutenij posts the small blind of 1,000
NuggetMaster420 posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
TopFlite06 raises to 19,096, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls 19,096
delysid6 folds
Kripp85 folds
poplovok raises to 45,295, and is all in
Chauvinator folds
Dep0rWanka folds
rutenij folds
NuggetMaster420 folds
Hero calls 26,199
poplovok shows
TopFlite06 shows
Hero shows

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $114,936.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $114,936.00)

   

River (Pot : $114,936.00)

   
poplovok shows four of a kind, Aces
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Tens
poplovok wins the side pot (52,398) with four of a kind, Aces
TopFlite06 shows a flush, Ace high
poplovok wins the main pot (62,538) with four of a kind, Aces

Summary
Total pot 114,936 Main pot 62,538. Side pot 52,398. | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: Dep0rWanka (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: rutenij (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: NuggetMaster420 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: TopFlite06 showed and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 6: delysid6 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Kripp85 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: poplovok showed and won (114,936) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 9: Chauvinator folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #28827972361: MiniFTOPS Event #3 (213061104), Table 396 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:27:14 ET - 2011/03/07
Seat 1: croman18 (825,061)
Seat 2: JustLuck1337 (556,228)
Seat 3: TheTrolley (376,932)
Seat 4: dsindy (353,384)
Seat 5: EMSBas (1,443,082)
Seat 6: augie210986 (272,753)
Seat 7: ShiftyShady (530,134)
Seat 8: Hero (300,767)
Seat 9: podnil (330,115)
croman18 antes 1,000
JustLuck1337 antes 1,000
TheTrolley antes 1,000
dsindy antes 1,000
EMSBas antes 1,000
augie210986 antes 1,000
ShiftyShady antes 1,000
Hero antes 1,000
podnil antes 1,000
JustLuck1337 posts the small blind of 4,000
TheTrolley posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
dsindy has 8 seconds left to act
dsindy raises to 17,500
EMSBas folds
augie210986 has 15 seconds left to act
augie210986 has timed out
augie210986 folds
ShiftyShady folds
Hero calls 17,500
podnil calls 17,500
croman18 folds
JustLuck1337 folds
TheTrolley has 15 seconds left to act
TheTrolley folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $73,500.00)

   
dsindy has 15 seconds left to act
dsindy bets 24,800
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to 70,009
podnil folds
dsindy has 15 seconds left to act
dsindy has requested TIME
dsindy raises to 334,884, and is all in
Hero calls 212,258, and is all in
dsindy shows
Hero shows
Uncalled bet of 52,617 returned to dsindy

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $638,034.00)

   

River (Pot : $638,034.00)

   
dsindy shows a pair of Twos
Hero shows a pair of Twos
dsindy wins the pot (638,034) with a pair of Twos

Summary
Total pot 638,034 | Rake 0
Board:
Seat 1: croman18 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JustLuck1337 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: TheTrolley (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: dsindy showed and won (638,034) with a pair of Twos
Seat 5: EMSBas folded before the Flop
Seat 6: augie210986 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ShiftyShady folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 9: podnil folded on the Flop

u can rejam pre so poplovok will fold his AA.

i guess what i meant is this ever a fold ?

seems kindof sketchy flatting 25% of ure stack with shorties behind

Hand 1) I just jam here, by flatting you might get some shortie looking down at JQs and thinking its pretty and getting it 3-1.

Hand 2) All depends on table dynamics and how deep we are in tournament.

I really don't like hand 2...
pre and your raise on flop obv. mostly depend on dynamics, but i think you should pretty much always fold to the allin on river...

hand 1 you can just jam if you like to, but calling is also okay. calling basically has the advantage that you can fold if one of the guys bigger than you pushes, but you can never fold to another 25k. Your stack is essentially just about big enough to make calling rather than pushing viable, 65k stack and i'd push every time. jamming has the disadvantage that you can end up losing your entire stack against either one of two stacks that you could normally get away from, but the advantage that you also don't get a random 45k stack flatting and you then running into a really really awkward spot postflop.

hand 2, preflop I find both folding raising and calling viable options, depends on dynamics and whatnot. when you do end up hitting this flop, I think raise/calling is the right move, but I would definitely bet more, probably 50k more or so. (even though you are happy getting it in vs say, jj, which definitely is getting it in, and the only hand you really fear is Adxd, you are even happier to downright take the pot down. thus this is not a situation where you want to give your opponent an impression that they have FE.)

On March 15 2011 14:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: hand 2, preflop I find both folding raising and calling viable options, depends on dynamics and whatnot. when you do end up hitting this flop, I think raise/calling is the right move, but I would definitely bet more, probably 50k more or so. (even though you are happy getting it in vs say, jj, which definitely is getting it in, and the only hand you really fear is Adxd, you are even happier to downright take the pot down. thus this is not a situation where you want to give your opponent an impression that they have FE.)

yea good explaination, so by raising to 70K instead of 120k villain had fold equity left to shove, i make this same mistakes too some now and then about FE, so im really wondering if villain could lay down this hand if we looked comitted.

in hand 2 i prefer to flat the flop and doze the turn since alot of Ax will stack vs you on the flop and you have a higher EV getting them to fold the turn rather than flip

in hand 2 he is simply not folding the flop when he perceives himself to have 10 outs.

he bets small and you have position ... drag it out another street

thanks for the advice guys it really helps a lot

Hand 1: Fold or shove to ISO pre

Hand 2: Call PF, Call up to 2/3rds Flop, fold turn no improvement

hand 1 after you you call you're neverrrr folding for another 10 bb's. maybe if villain had you covered or raised another 20bb's or so then you can safely fold.

hand 2. after you raise that amount on flop it's a snap call. regardless getting it in here is quite +ev.

On March 16 2011 17:54 traxamillion wrote: in hand 2 he is simply not folding the flop when he perceives himself to have 10 outs. he bets small and you have position ... drag it out another street

How much fe do we have if we ship the flop? Does that look weak in this spot? Lets assume we've been in line~

hand 1: shove

hand 2: fold pf to the UTG raiser when you are UTG +1 when you are as deep as you are

someone opening like that UTG in hand 2 means that they have a good hand here.....players are forced to play tight utg

your M is 10, you arent desperate for chips and despite the potential to have position on the UTG raiser postflop, you are creating a good squeeze situation for someone, not to mention that the UTG open range beats your range

his range is something like ATs+AJo+KQ+77 and he could even realistically fold AT KQ and 77