nl100rush river play

so overall i have no real problems with this hand but i kinda want to get into the subtleties of this spot. when he calls the flop i'm pretty sure he's calling with all FDs, all Kx and 77-QQ and the various 6x in his range. on the turn, i opt to check back for pot control and to keep in the pocket pairs as well as weaker kings. i guess the downside is that i let a free spade fall on the river which would kinda be bad. on the river, i realli dunt see him turning his 77-QQ into bluffs so he's and i'm 100% sure he's betting all the hands that beat me. i do not see him valuebetting K9 so i guess KJ and KQ r the only hands i beat. i almost feel like he would just c/c with KJ and KQ since there's no real hands in my range that he can value bet against. based on this logic as well as his bet sizing on the river, can i find a fold on the river?

i'm realli not trying to be results oriented and this is a spot that comes up a decent amount of the time so i'm trying to figure out wat and why i should take certain lines.

Submitted by : wakamaru

***** Hand History for Game 23654897043 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 05, 09:39:06 ET 2010
Table Adrenaline (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: VinceS25 ( $136.35 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 3: JPcontender ( $88.65 USD )
Seat 4: macaocao ( $81.75 USD )
Seat 5: sapphire25 ( $152.80 USD )
Seat 6: keysersoze50 ( $135.50 USD )
Seat 7: Sierra Skier ( $73.30 USD )
Seat 8: Rom86 ( $102.20 USD )
Seat 9: motsi ( $290.25 USD )
JPcontender posts small blind $0.50 USD.
macaocao posts big blind $1.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
sapphire25 folds
keysersoze50 folds
Sierra Skier raises $3.50 USD
Rom86 folds
motsi folds
VinceS25 folds
Hero calls $3.50 USD
JPcontender folds
macaocao calls $2.50 USD

Flop (Pot : $11.00)

   
macaocao checks
Sierra Skier checks
Hero bets $8.00 USD
macaocao calls $8.00 USD
Sierra Skier folds

Turn (Pot : $27.00)

   
macaocao checks
Hero checks

River (Pot : $27.00)

   
macaocao bets $18.00 USD
Hero

As played just call river. But in general hes never checking TP thats for sure, probably floating with AJ, i'd bet all 3 streets here. Really hate flatting with AK pre too, i mean wtf is that all about? It's rush, he could have anything.

he was running at 11/9 and i feel like i'd be totally lost if he 4bet me pre and on this flop, it was versus the sb overcaller not the original raiser. and if he's floating me, he's floating me OOP with someone to act behind him on the flop. also it's FR, 3barreling here is pretty bad since i never get called by worse for 3 streets except maybe he's fishy and wont let go of KQo.

On September 06 2010 02:04 wakamaru wrote: he was running at 11/9 and i feel like i'd be totally lost if he 4bet me pre and on this flop, it was versus the sb overcaller not the original raiser. and if he's floating me, he's floating me OOP with someone to act behind him on the flop. also it's FR, 3barreling here is pretty bad since i never get called by worse for 3 streets except maybe he's fishy and wont let go of KQo.

Don't think KQ would check this flop..

On September 06 2010 02:07 Jhyun88 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2010 02:04 wakamaru wrote: he was running at 11/9 and i feel like i'd be totally lost if he 4bet me pre and on this flop, it was versus the sb overcaller not the original raiser. and if he's floating me, he's floating me OOP with someone to act behind him on the flop. also it's FR, 3barreling here is pretty bad since i never get called by worse for 3 streets except maybe he's fishy and wont let go of KQo. Don't think KQ would check this flop..

why not?

Wouldn't the usual play be to c.bet this flop? I don't play FR at all

oh look at the hand again. macaocao isnt the pfr.

i think bet folding turn is fine as well (and prob check back river if checked to, so you don't give a free card to a hand like KQ w/ spade, or other draws like QJ)

i prob call here on river. he could valuebet worse (KQ/KJs??) and bluff w/ JQ. its probably borderline but meh..

played fine pf, flatting AK vs 11/9 is prob a good thing.

What about min rr on the river ?

hehe

Or shove