Feeling reponsible for the rest of the world, but

Ive listened a bit to Noam Chomsky and he advocates that we should all feel responsible for such low living standards of the rest of the 2nd and 3rd world people.

One of the reasons he provides is because average 1st world citizen doesnt give a shit about the third world, they jsut go on living their lives thinking that the 3rd wold people and their governments are themselves responsible for their shit-state of life. Cos there lazy or greedy or whatever else.

However if you know anything about "Structural adjustment" then you know that it is not true. (BTW any1 who doesnt know what structural adjustment is, is living in a dream). The first world governments are the ones that make sure that the third world does not get too developed and pose a threat to the current world order dominated by US and Europe.

SO what Noam Chomsky advocating is that you and I are part of the problem it is because you and I let these bad things happen. We do not go out and protest, we do not educate ourselves about it enough, we do not try to teach others about it. We let IMF and the World Bank do whatever they want, we let the wars happen in Middle East etc.

Just think about it population of the 1st world countries is like 10% compared to the rest(maybe less im not sure exact percentage). Means that 9 out of 10 people will live in poverty jsut becasue they were born there. Consider yourself a very lucky motherfucker to live in 1st world. I know I do.

My question to you is:
Or question to Noam Chomsky would be:

Do you believe that whole population of earth can live a good life where they do not have to struggle for food and water as they are now? Is it sustainable? Can we lift standards of say China and Africa and sustain a good life we have right here in US, Europe and Australia?

I would like to believe so but I do have doubts. THe population is huge, the resources are finite. This then leads me to kind of put a blind eye onto the governments and corporate interests that they represent in the rest of the world. To keep it their bitch and suck all the resources out. I feel bad but yeah you know... lifes a bitch

So whadda ya think

that is so impossible to answer, the whole western economy is based on exploiting poor-er regions and selling commodities that don't exist.
how rich will the US really be, for example, if they have to pay normal wages to the chinese fatory workers and not exploit iraqi oil.

As a capitalist I could care less.


Capitalism is what propelled all 1st world countries from dirt to where they are now.

Capitalism is whats going to drive China out of the 3rd world. China is now facing a huge problem: workers are going on strike demanding higher wages / standards of living. China is being forced to socially develop much like the United States did 100 years ago.


All these 3rd world countries that have been 3rd world countries forever are too dumb to realize this.

These 3rd world governments do not support capitalism the way 1st world countries do. Without a proper infrastructure where capitalism is allowed to prosper, the country will always remain poor.


What are 1st world governments supposed to do? Give a big welfare check? These 3rd world corrupt governments are just going to take it for themselves or waste it because they are incompetent.


My rule of thumb is don't feed the homeless / wildlife.

i recommend you to watch zeitgeist, pretty good documentary.

On July 10 2010 19:29 Tien wrote: As a capitalist I could care less. Capitalism is what propelled all 1st world countries from dirt to where they are now. Capitalism is whats going to drive China out of the 3rd world. China is now facing a huge problem: workers are going on strike demanding higher wages / standards of living. China is being forced to socially develop much like the United States did 100 years ago. All these 3rd world countries that have been 3rd world countries forever are too dumb to realize this. These 3rd world governments do not support capitalism the way 1st world countries do. Without a proper infrastructure where capitalism is allowed to prosper, the country will always remain poor. What are 1st world governments supposed to do? Give a big welfare check? These 3rd world corrupt governments are just going to take it for themselves or waste it because they are incompetent. My rule of thumb is don't feed the homeless / wildlife.

Tien i Urge you to read about structural adjustment.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/3...l-adjustment-a-major-cause-of-poverty

this is avery good article about it

I'm sure I'm going to get lynched by the socialists for taking this viewpoint. But it's my viewpoint. It's quite racist in a way, and somewhat Darwinistic. But I'm not afraid of holding this viewpoint, as controversial as it is.

I believe over the thousands of years, there has been a level playing field for all countries / races of people.

Those races / country of people that have been slow or incapable of progressing forward on their own (developing infrastructure / economy / socially, etc etc) have all been taken advantage of by those that are. And I think that has a lot to due with mental inferiority.

Do I feel bad about this? Not really. That's just what happens. The weak get eaten by the strong.

And that article / blog or whatever you want to call it is put together by a bunch of socialists / professors, so I can't take it too seriously.


It talks a lot about all the problems these 3rd world countries face after borrowing money. But I myself would be probably just as harsh as the IMF.


My viewpoint is that many of these 3rd world countries don't have much raw intellectual / mental resources to capitalize on structural development in the first place.

Meaning, for every dollar they borrow, they don't have the raw human resource to produce multiple dollars.

So, besides giving them free money which is rediculous, it's hopeless.

Tien you are a fucking idiot, i am a capitalist and i believe effort should be rewarded but tell me how in the fuck you self important son of a bitch have made any bigger effort than an african man working 12 hours a day that can barely support his family?.

Its not about a welfare check its about not fucking destroying our neighbor for our benefit, want to help the starving people in the middle east?, dont write a check... how about not invading them for decades and steal their oil? how about not sanctioning cuba and iran sending them into poberty? how about you just stop stealing the natural resources of south america?

Have you ever wondered why do you know the name of the president of Venezuela but you dont from Bolivia, Peru, Nicaragua etc?... well its because that crazy son of a bitch decided to not allow USA stealing their oil anymore so you are bombarded in the news like he is a bad bad man... yet you wont hear a whisper of the other bad man in fucking Honduras.


Of course we are responsible for the state of the world right now, who else is? do you think the people in Gaza are responsible for them or you are for enabling a government who arms Israel that is committing genocide?.

Its unbelievable people are so near sighted and egoistical while we funnel the entire wealth of this planet to the top of the pyramid and we are willing to ignore this as long as we have food and a flat TV.

Edit: nm, O_o

Sadly again agreeing with Baal on this one. The Earth by most recent estimates i remember hearing can support around 12 billion people comfortably with good distribution use of resources. We dont have a resource shortage problem near as much as we have a distribution problem due the greed of the first world.

I'm not arguing right or wrong.


I am not saying we are not responsible.


I'm saying that it is inevitable.


And I'm saying the 1 billion humans that are living in 1st world conditions don't give a crap. And they don't.

The thing is that people think its about redistributing your food/wealth, its not about shipping your pancakes to the unproductive africa... its simply about not enslaving the rest of the world so they produce for you.

On July 10 2010 21:23 Tien wrote: I'm not arguing right or wrong. I am not saying we are not responsible. I'm saying that it is inevitable. And I'm saying the 1 billion humans that are living in 1st world conditions don't give a crap. And they don't.

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done" - Leonardo da Vinci

So yes my friend, not caring makes you responsible too and also questions on so many levels your humanity.

I'm of the opinion that most leftist people who wants to make the world a better place would probably fuck it up even worse if they tried even a few of their ideas. The problem is that you can't force a country into welfare. When the US tried to get a democratic government in Iraq we could all see how hard it was, and if we can't even force that, how could we force welfare?

The good thing is that the world gets better for every year. Democracy, decent standards of living etc etc is all on the rise and that is thanks to trade, open markets and overall an open world. Obviously we fuck it up a little bit by spending retarded amounts of money that could be used to increase our standards of living by buying stuff from the 3rd world (and thereby make them richer) on stupid shit like "Global Warming" and "Culture". However, not even that can stop the world from getting better.

It's really tough.


1 billion people on this planet live in 1st world conditions.


We consume a shit ton of resources, and we demand lowest prices. We want to have the cake and eat it too.


These governments / companies are just giving us exactly what we want.

If a company cannot provide the lowest cost, they go out of business.

Governments that don't give the masses what they want get voted out.


We are all collectively responsible. And collectively we do not care. Individually we may care, but collectively we don't.

On July 10 2010 21:30 Baal wrote: "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done" - Leonardo da Vinci So yes my friend, not caring makes you responsible too and also questions on so many levels your humanity.

I care just as much as the other 1 billion people living in first world countries.


Question my level of humanity all you want. But question humanity itself first.

On July 10 2010 21:38 Tien wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2010 21:30 Baal wrote: "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done" - Leonardo da Vinci So yes my friend, not caring makes you responsible too and also questions on so many levels your humanity. I care just as much as the other 1 billion people living in first world countries. Question my level of humanity all you want. But question humanity itself first.

ok ill question humanity....













it fucking sucks.....



and so do you, and you are part of this, you "command it to be done", so what is your point, i am a shitty selfish human being because the world is like that?, then you are no longer human, but a sheep.

Now you see the point I'm making?


Humanity has its major gaffs. The good come with the bad. That's the way things are.


As for 3rd world countries. You may talk like you care more than I do, but your actions are the same as mine.

You eat your fill just like I do.
You drive a car just like I do.
You pay for cheaper products (of equal quality) just like I do.
You pretty much consume just as much as me.

tien every time i see you post my mind is blown

On July 10 2010 20:15 Tien wrote: My viewpoint is that many of these 3rd world countries don't have much raw intellectual / mental resources to capitalize on structural development in the first place.

so you are saying people in 3rd world countries are intrinsically stupider than the rest of us... holy shit.

you sir are a moron