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Submitted by : terrybunny19240
Full Tilt Poker Game #22011234552: Table Afterburner (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:10:07 ET - 2010/07/01
Seat 1: ALFeRICH ($145.30)
Seat 2: Night2o11 ($167.70)
Seat 3: itSmin3z ($105.85)
Seat 4: thedudelb ($282.40)
Seat 5: pilviverho ($197)
Seat 6: ChkPointCharlie ($101.50)
ALFeRICH posts the small blind of $0.50
Night2o11 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
Holecards
Dealt to Night2o11 
itSmin3z has 8 seconds left to act
itSmin3z folds
thedudelb raises to $3
pilviverho folds
ChkPointCharlie calls $3
ALFeRICH folds
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 calls $2
Flop (Pot : $9.50)
  
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 checks
thedudelb checks
ChkPointCharlie bets $7
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 raises to $20
thedudelb folds
ChkPointCharlie calls $13
Turn (Pot : $49.50)
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 bets $25
ChkPointCharlie calls $25
River (Pot : $99.50)
Night2o11 has 15 seconds left to act
Night2o11 has requested TIME
Night2o11 bets $87
ChkPointCharlie
both villains basically unknown since I haven't played much nl100 this year. Only history is ChkPointCharlie 4bet-folded vs my first ever 3b vs him like 5 minutes ago.
Only $45 or something behind on river.
Ok bet sizing, I raised small/bet turn small because I figure I will get all the money in by the river with my whole range that wants the money in and valuetown more hands from him this way in the long run, expecting him to get caught up with Jx, Tx here more often when I am betting like this, and draws aren't such a huge part of his range in this spot because he checks them behind sometimes on the flop.
Can I shove that 1/2 pot on the river for value in this situation tho? Pretty thin, but how often can he show up with a better hand here after call-call? JT, JQ, 22 shouldn't be flatting twice and esp not vs these small bets giving me good odds when I am drawing. I guess he can have JJ, QQ, KK, AA that beat me, though I can probably expect people to raise all-in on the turn when they have any of those hands no?
This is basically the range I thought I was betting against on the river (well I actually thought it was a bit better, during the hand I didn't consider QQ+ as being in his range 100% of the time here like they are in this range. Taking out QQ, KK, AA gives me 70% equity making it a clear bet)
Board: 2d Jd Th Qs 3c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.500% 52.50% 00.00% 21 0.00 { KdQd }
Hand 1: 47.500% 47.50% 00.00% 19 0.00 { JJ+, AJs, KJs, QJs, AJo, KJo, QJo }
I went through the bother of explaining my whole reasoning for betsizing.. that is the most important thing that I'd like thoughts on.. as this is a different sizing and tweaked way of thinking than my usual.. as a standard I would raise bigger on the flop and have an awkward bet-calling stack on the turn that seems to be suboptimal when looking at my whole range here.. (my range mostly contains strong made hands here and is actually quite narrow I think. JJ,TT,22,JT, combo draws, some nut flush draws? idk.)
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i dont mind check/shoving the turn rly, if this is horrible plz someone say it.
doubt you will ever get called by worse here on the river, maybe get KQ of a split. |
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If i am Charlie, I am not calling you with worse than KK here. All draws got there or made a pair that beats me. It might be weak but I think check/folding or betting something like 45(if the guy is at least lil bit fishy) would not be that bad. I dont think you are getting called by AJ from anyone reasonable, without history. |
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Maynard! United States. Jul 01 2010 18:34. Posts 4453 | | |
I think if you go for the c-raise on flop you can either check turn and hope to craise a FD AI or pound turn with a big bet. I don't like the 1/2 pot bet on turn bc it just becomes really hard to play if you get called.
Sometimes its just better to play easy poker. The turn pot is huge due to big preflop raises and big flop play. Just push some shit around.
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wakamaru United States. Jul 01 2010 19:06. Posts 236 | | |
meh.. pretty ugly spot but the river is a check/fold since i dunt see him betting KK or AA for value there and that's not a bluffing spot for the villain since he obiovusly has showdown value after calling 2 streets. if he has a hand like Axdd, i do not see him turning that into a bluff. i agree with wat maynard said, i think c/r flop a bit larger (24?) and c/shoving turn is good. i personally dunt mind an overbet shove on the turn since ur stack is only a bit more than pot left if u c/r harder on the flop. i think u have decent FE vs KK AA. also, if he has a set or QJ he's shoving over ur turn bet anyways and ur calling so shoving urself isnt terribad imo. |
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 01 2010 19:22. Posts 5544 | | |
I don't think Charlie has KK here at all given PF action, not many NL100 players are tricky.
He's only 100 bb deep and if he had a strong hand I'd imagine him just shipping it on turn (any set, 2p, straight). I don't know, maybe he has QT here, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Maynard! United States. Jul 01 2010 19:24. Posts 4453 | | |
O. I thought it was original raiser as villain :D |
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I check call this turn very often |
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Zalfor United States. Jul 01 2010 20:04. Posts 2236 | | |
i would bet smaller on river but i dont mind your thin value. i like b/f more than c/f on this river |
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wakamaru United States. Jul 01 2010 20:23. Posts 236 | | |
how do u bet fold when u only have a 1/2pot bet left? |
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| | On July 01 2010 18:41 TalentedTom wrote:
I check call this turn very often |
hmmmmmmm
guess we x/c river too?
pot is so big we only have $43 behind on river even when I bet 1/2 pot on turn |
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check fold river.. after CC turn |
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you seem to be under the impression that you are getting bluffed a lot.. I can almost promise you this is not the case |
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TimDawg  United States. Jul 01 2010 22:29. Posts 10197 | | |
| | On July 01 2010 18:41 TalentedTom wrote:
I check call this turn very often |
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 01 2010 23:02. Posts 5544 | | |
| | On July 01 2010 19:55 TalentedTom wrote:
you seem to be under the impression that you are getting bluffed a lot.. I can almost promise you this is not the case |
You villain, brah? |
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Trey United States. Jul 02 2010 03:51. Posts 5616 | | |
| | On July 01 2010 22:02 TheHuHu3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:55 TalentedTom wrote:
you seem to be under the impression that you are getting bluffed a lot.. I can almost promise you this is not the case |
You villain, brah?
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lol... |
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Zalfor United States. Jul 02 2010 17:09. Posts 2236 | | |
the way that the hand played out, i don't see what hands the villian could have here that isn't KQ, AJ, KJ. QJ maybe or a very unlikely overpair.
he is unlikely to have sets as he would probably stack off with those on the flop, only 2 pair is QJ and maybe QT or something weird, as most people would 3bet or at least raise JT on flop/turn.
given this analysis i think barreling the turn is fine, as it is a good barrel card and you get value from a lot of his hands/semi draws if he has a K or 9 in his hand.
given the action i think this is a fine play. when you c/r the flop, you can have a wide range as you may perceive him to be stealing wide etc, given that the river completely bricked everything, value shoving KQ here isn't bad. unless you want to c/f, but then if you want to c/f, then don't bet turn. |
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