200NL HU donk+3betshove from unknown

Submitted by : woezy

***** Hand History for Game 3306668379 ***** (Prima)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, May 05, 08:25:00 ET 2010
Table Brand New Car 2 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $201.00 USD )
Seat 2: Duziss ( $202.00 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Duziss posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards
   
Hero raises [$5.00 USD]
Duziss calls [$4.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $11.00)

   
Duziss bets [$8.00 USD]
Hero raises [$24.00 USD]
Duziss raises [$186.00 USD] All in
Hero calls [$170.00 USD]

its hard to say against unknown, if you facing decent opponent you will never be in a good shape if she shoves over your raise its either way behind or flip, and its hard for him to flat this raise with worse, so yeah, i like a call

Behind or flip but I never fold.

i would feel really good about getting this in, especially being hu

i almost never reraise here ;0 as played dont fold i guess, really dont like these spots

On May 05 2010 11:50 woezy wrote: 1st hand versus unknown, never seen him before. Any reason to flatcall his donk or fold to his shove?

If you dont want to call his shove then just flat his donk?

fold<call<raise on flop
when he shoves ur now flipping/owned. i think ur flipping more than owned tho

I don't mind the raise on the flop that much, but I can't see how calling the shove is a good idea. Even if their range is very high and includes all pocket pairs, all possible flush draws (after card removal) and all combo draws, oesd, and straights equity is at best 40%. If their range is more selective it could be as low as 30%. $170 / $400 is 42.5% needed.

raise/fold is retarded because hes either folding or shoving flop lawl

On May 05 2010 21:23 jchysk wrote: I don't mind the raise on the flop that much, but I can't see how calling the shove is a good idea. Even if their range is very high and includes all pocket pairs, all possible flush draws (after card removal) and all combo draws, oesd, and straights equity is at best 40%. If their range is more selective it could be as low as 30%. $170 / $400 is 42.5% needed.

your logic is flawed because villian is shoving over a raise a huge % of the time on this board texture

You have to stack off, calling is an option, however I am little surprised that you pretty much always call here Talented, isn't it going to get super awkward on some turn/river? and you are ahead quite a good amount of the time. I would probably call less drawy flop myself but maybe calling those wet board is good too I just don't see why. If you call do you raise a dry turn all the time?

calling is far superior imo,we have position, if we get it in on the flop we are crashed or racing most of the time.We don't really dominate any sort of hand that goes nuts on this flop,without some sort of crazy HU dynamic that is,so why not call and act based on the info that position will provide us? By calling we even allow villain to continue with hands with no great equity too,just because they would assume we would raise if we were strong,we keep our hand somewhat underepped for villain to make some sort of mistake

On May 06 2010 15:11 Oddeye wrote: You have to stack off, calling is an option, however I am little surprised that you pretty much always call here Talented, isn't it going to get super awkward on some turn/river? and you are ahead quite a good amount of the time. I would probably call less drawy flop myself but maybe calling those wet board is good too I just don't see why. If you call do you raise a dry turn all the time?

cause i dont mind /perfer playing later streets in position compared to random guessing work on the flop + stuff which I'm not sure is profitable

weird how you say you would call a less drawy flop, I much rather reraise T42r, then 456hh

on this specific board texture i'd gladly get t in with something like 77-88 then JJ, this is not so good a flop for our hand

On May 06 2010 20:35 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2010 15:11 Oddeye wrote: You have to stack off, calling is an option, however I am little surprised that you pretty much always call here Talented, isn't it going to get super awkward on some turn/river? and you are ahead quite a good amount of the time. I would probably call less drawy flop myself but maybe calling those wet board is good too I just don't see why. If you call do you raise a dry turn all the time? cause i dont mind /perfer playing later streets in position compared to random guessing work on the flop + stuff which I'm not sure is profitable weird how you say you would call a less drawy flop, I much rather reraise T42r, then 456hh on this specific board texture i'd gladly get t in with something like 77-88 then JJ, this is not so good a flop for our hand

so after flop call do we shove turn or call it as well ?

no, we see what the turn card is and make a descion...

On May 05 2010 15:01 TalentedTom wrote: i almost never reraise here ;0 as played dont fold i guess, really dont like these spots

Why is this never a reraise? Like 3/4th of the deck makes it scary for us to continue on the turn...

I really dont like any A, heart, or something that makes it possible for straight to happen on the turn

rly good posts by tt and lebowski.. so easy to just think "lol drawy flop raisey daisy"

This is almost always a draw.And vs uknown and being 1st hand I really happy stack off here

Oh, AND if say a Q hits, if he barrels both turn and river I think I have to give him credit by river for hitting...