What do I do on the turn here?

I don't have any stats on villain, not too sure what to do in this deep situation

Submitted by : Jas0n

***** Hand History for Game 19452838874 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, March 21, 07:17:29 ET 2010
Table Mercury (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: SHPP2win ( $53.40 USD )
Seat 2: buchannan ( $46.00 USD )
Seat 3: LordRyan ( $111.05 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $143.20 USD )
Seat 5: catalinfr ( $66.40 USD )
Seat 6: whiskieriver ( $95.85 USD )
Seat 7: 54zhugeliang ( $50.45 USD )
Seat 8: 32735 ( $141.45 USD )
Seat 9: villainy ( $37.25 USD )
Hero posts small blind $0.25 USD.
catalinfr posts big blind $0.50 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
whiskieriver raises $1.75 USD
54zhugeliang folds
32735 folds
villainy folds
SHPP2win folds
buchannan folds
LordRyan folds
Hero calls $1.50 USD
catalinfr folds

Flop (Pot : $4.00)

   
Hero checks
whiskieriver bets $3.50 USD
Hero raises $12.00 USD
whiskieriver calls $8.50 USD

Turn (Pot : $28.00)

   
Hero bets $20.00 USD
whiskieriver raises $45.50 USD
Hero

you cant fold... even if he already has nut flush u have boat redraw. u must at least call this (almost) minraise.

Going all-in doesnt seem too bad. Even if he calls you [and has you beat] he might be -G bucks...you'll always have decent odds if your behind. And going with my new "Thing" its good for your b3b range here. Not to mention that you just straight up get value sometimes from AcQ or random AcAx or even KcKx or AA without Ac.

On the flip side, against most opponents balance prob isnt even that important.

v curious about the replies to this one.

you're screwed, his hand looks like the nuts

You guys realize its hard for him to have a flush as the utg raiser?

AcKcQcJcTc. Im not sure about full ring but if hes tight those are the cards that make a flush for him. Only 10 combos.

It's very likely to have UTG raiser to have said hands in his range. As well as, there's very little explanation to villain playing like this when they're both very deep.
I think hero still has odds to call for river for a boat and fold to a bet. I don't think most people are willing to bet thin on river even with two pair seeing as how this line went.

uhh he can def. have all sorts of flushes here. i'd at least call and see a river, lead out pretty big if you boat up, and prob check/eval everything else.

On March 21 2010 23:04 Exhilarate wrote: uhh he can def. have all sorts of flushes here. i'd at least call and see a river, lead out pretty big if you boat up, and prob check/eval everything else.

u cant fold this turn.....
call for boat

call turn, check call any non club on river, obv bet strong if you boat up. Have to c/f club on river.

lol...well... After thinking about this hand, I'm convinced that all in is the best play.

It might be bad if, for some reason, he really really loves Axs much more than suited connectors. I dont play full ring but maybe this is the case for full ring UTG.

But yeah even if he can have a bunch of flushes, my inclination is that its not the worst play to just all in shove pretty fast here.
Really the only thing you can ever shove here besides flushes are sets which theres only 6 combos and AcQ, of which there are 3 combos.So even if he has a weakish flush your doing pretty well against him in terms of G-Bucks because the hands you are balancing with are slim, and will have decent equity.

And also, you get straight up value from a couple hands as mentioned before.

Actually I might be completely wrong and the best play would be just to bet/call all sets as well as flushes

I wouldnt worry too much about balancing here and just call and hope to boat up, decide on the river if you dont get there but prolly c/f mostly.

hiems you keep talking about balance in a bunch of spots where balance is unnecessary.

make the most +EV play with each individual hand until you need a reason to balance. there is no reason to think about balance vs players we have no history with.

it seems like youre learning a lot of new concepts but not applying them in the right spots and you are starting to develop a bit of fps.

Yeah. I think over-applying is natural at first. I've heard against most players balance is not necessary. But I want to learn how stuff works by seeing it applied by myself, etc.

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