[nl 50] super standard line check

Submitted by : mnj

Full Tilt Poker Game #19430171377: Table Cabrini (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:16:52 ET - 2010/03/21
Seat 1: racewithanace ($81.25)
Seat 2: Hero ($94.60)
Seat 3: ilove7_2offsuit ($115.80)
Seat 4: C6EPKACCA ($50)
Seat 5: Dieight ($84.50)
Seat 6: Waffle Sauce ($50)
ilove7_2offsuit posts the small blind of $0.25
C6EPKACCA posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Dieight has 15 seconds left to act
Dieight raises to $1.75
racewithanace folds
Hero calls $1.75
ilove7_2offsuit has 15 seconds left to act
ilove7_2offsuit folds
C6EPKACCA calls $1.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $5.50)

   
C6EPKACCA checks
Dieight checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $4
C6EPKACCA raises to $12
Dieight folds
Hero calls $8

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $29.50)

   
C6EPKACCA has 15 seconds left to act
C6EPKACCA has requested TIME
C6EPKACCA checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $12
C6EPKACCA raises to $36.25, and is all in
Hero calls $24.25
C6EPKACCA shows
Hero shows

River (Pot : $102.00)

   
C6EPKACCA shows two pair, Queens and Threes
Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Threes
C6EPKACCA wins the pot ($99) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Hero adds $5.40

Summary
Total pot $102 | Rake $3
Board:
Seat 1: racewithanace didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Hero (button) showed and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: ilove7_2offsuit (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: C6EPKACCA (big blind) showed and won ($99) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 5: Dieight folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Waffle Sauce is sitting out

boo why do ppl post in folding kk pf instead of this qq

cause it's super standard yo

1. I wouldn't call KJo after an UTG raiser unless he's a fish.
2. Calling c/r is fine on flop.
3. I think only few villains will rebluff there on turn. But yeah tough spot. Overpairs are rare here, AJ no longer makes sense, only 4 combos of sets left. If you're planning on stacking off, i'd just bet bigger because combo draws can still call correctly with that 12 dollar bet.

Don't like villains play here : ( .

I don't really mind or love the KJss flat on the button preflop

Since there is a flush draw there, calling the flop raise may be okay
Assuming, without a large amount of hands/history, that someone at these stakes makes a lot of flop checkraises (with worse than KJ) is meh

Checking turn behind may induce river bluffs as well

I am also thinking: we have only top pair, why are we looking for ways to get it in?

Did just someone say they fold KJs on the button 170bb deep? Are you serious?

And its 5 handed too.

And to the OP: You have no reads after 260 hands? How did that happen?
Your line is heavy read dependent.

On March 21 2010 04:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Did just someone say they fold KJs on the button 170bb deep? Are you serious? And its 5 handed too. And to the OP: You have no reads after 260 hands? How did that happen? Your line is heavy read dependent.

Calling is good, getting it in TPKK for 170bb is not unless villain is super retarded, which you should know by now. It is also a 3way pot so villain usually plays a lot more honest. At least u (OP) know how to play sets vs him now =)

Either check back turn or bet bigger. I prefer checking back because his range is prob something like AJ/KJ/QJ/sets/flushdraws/random bluffs. I wouldn't mind giving the flush draws a free card if it can induce a bluff if they miss, while pot controlling vs the hands that beat you. I'd fold if he bets a club river and prob call if he bets a brick river, depending on how strong his bet is.

nothing wrong with calling kjs in position given your stack size

Against c/r happy villains might be best to 3b flop.

On turn its not the worst play to check behind but I think I prefer a bet. The paired 3 is good for us given that he is UTG and there arnt many 3s he can c/r us here with.

If your not betting AJ KJ on that turn your overall range for betting on that turn becomes non-existant. Dont even know what your range will be Id assume you 3b flop with a set. You'll never have a 3 here either. Alot of the times you check behind with a flush draw...but still its the only thing besides top pair you can ever have.

So since your range kinda gets polarized on that turn you bet because you can range merge and get value from Jacks that check raised super light maybe like some weird junk hand like 7x or 99 and induce a c/r from a flush draw....whatever just cross and pray. Your value bet will be thin but its not the worst play ever given that it accomplishes balance for your turn action and that you can hope to take down the dead money.

Given that, I the turn bet sizing is pretty bad. If your range is polarized you should be betting close to pot. If he calls for value he'll call you no matter what. And betting small makes your hand easier to read for him. So I would say bet bigger, but I don't know what the best sizing would be as a PSB basically commits him. Shove seems like it would fold out your value hands tho despite what I said.

Edit oops villain isnt utg

Edit : Nvm. Sticking with bet turn.

On March 21 2010 10:38 GoTuNk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2010 04:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Did just someone say they fold KJs on the button 170bb deep? Are you serious? And its 5 handed too. And to the OP: You have no reads after 260 hands? How did that happen? Your line is heavy read dependent. Calling is good, getting it in TPKK for 170bb is not unless villain is super retarded, which you should know by now. It is also a 3way pot so villain usually plays a lot more honest. At least u (OP) know how to play sets vs him now =)

Deep-stack, KJs value prob comes from nut straight, and flush potential rather than TP.

On March 21 2010 17:35 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2010 10:38 GoTuNk wrote:   On March 21 2010 04:18 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Did just someone say they fold KJs on the button 170bb deep? Are you serious? And its 5 handed too. And to the OP: You have no reads after 260 hands? How did that happen? Your line is heavy read dependent. Calling is good, getting it in TPKK for 170bb is not unless villain is super retarded, which you should know by now. It is also a 3way pot so villain usually plays a lot more honest. At least u (OP) know how to play sets vs him now =) Deep-stack, KJs value prob comes from nut straight, and flush potential rather than TP.

actually TP is by far the most common hand you will flop / all your TP hands are preety strong and very easy to play, but yes suited hands are better then unsuited ones

Ic

What does everybody think of Villain's line btw as an interesting way to balance whiffed turns that are bad for barreling when you check raise OOP with a draw or air?

his line is retarded as hell

double check raise lol

obviously going for the sandbagger achievement on PTR ;o