3 hands vs same aggressive reg in one session

I'm not a big fan of multiple hands in the same thread, but i felt theese three hands vs the same guy during a short session could make for some discussion and i feel i didnt play them optimally. I will put them on order as they happened and write a short summary before each one:

1. Before this session i did not have any specific read/notes on this player other than he seems to be among the more aggressive regs on my tables with stats 28/22/7 and in general very active. I feel like i play this first hand pretty standard, i mix up my riversizin a lot but this time i felt like a big bet could get the most value since i can see him talking himself into calling with a small pp and even a 3. He on the other hand can probably be good enough to assume i dont have a J here and is trying to get somewhat thin value out of him and maybe turning acehigh/small pair hands into a bluff? I mean he doesnt rep much... If he plays a J this way i think its pretty bad.

Submitted by : Balzamon

***** Hand History for Game 2167691638 ***** IPoker
$200.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Saturday, March 13, 06:50:08 ET 2010
Table Luala No DP 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: MrF2 $214.80 USD
Seat 5: lilsanto08 $64.75 USD
Seat 6: Hero $238.05 USD
Seat 10: Aypucm $402.60 USD
Aypucm posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
MrF2 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
lilsanto08 folds
Hero raises [$6.00 USD]
Aypucm folds
MrF2 calls [$4.00 USD]

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $13.00)

   
MrF2 checks
Hero bets [$9.00 USD]
MrF2 calls [$9.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $31.00)

   
MrF2 checks
Hero checks

River (Pot : $31.00)

   
MrF2 checks
Hero bets [$28.00 USD]
MrF2 raises [$141.00 USD]

***** Hand History for Game 2167722161 ***** IPoker
$200.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Saturday, March 13, 07:11:01 ET 2010
Table Luala No DP 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: MrF2 $224.05 USD
Seat 5: lilsanto08 $50.05 USD
Seat 6: Hero $202.00 USD
Seat 8: bruloc $396.90 USD
lilsanto08 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
bruloc folds
MrF2 raises [$5.00 USD]
lilsanto08 folds
Hero raises [$18.00 USD]
MrF2 raises [$41.00 USD]

***** Hand History for Game 2167731014 ***** IPoker
$200.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Saturday, March 13, 07:17:02 ET 2010
Table Luala No DP 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: MrF2 $208.00 USD
Seat 3: magnum77 $97.00 USD
Seat 5: lilsanto08 $96.00 USD
Seat 6: Hero $205.00 USD
Seat 8: bruloc $432.90 USD
Seat 10: orjan222 $104.35 USD
lilsanto08 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
bruloc folds
orjan222 calls [$2.00 USD]
MrF2 raises [$9.00 USD]
magnum77 folds
lilsanto08 folds
Hero calls [$7.00 USD]
orjan222 folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $21.00)

   
Hero checks
MrF2 bets [$14.00 USD]
Hero calls [$14.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $49.00)

   
Hero checks
MrF2 bets [$31.00 USD]
Hero calls [$31.00 USD]

River (Pot : $111.00)

   
Hero checks

#1 bet the turn.. "If he plays a J this way i think its pretty bad"" not really, your suggesting he should never be CRing the river which is bad in itself, I like his play with any Jx
#2 cant play this hand wrong ;0 a lot of guys just commit theselves here with AQ/TT preflop these hands are gonna get a lot of unfavorble flops but will always stack off pre, for 100bb jamming is standard for a reason
#3 its a really good board for an aggresive player to 3 barrel, dont fold

I just think my range in hand 1 concist of so many hands that i just want to check down after checking turn that he should bet into me on river with a J =/ His raise is sooo big, what can he believe that i have that will call him that he beats? Looks so bluffy =( but its a fold?

Im not thinking about folding in hand 3, ever, i just debating whats best ch/r ai turn or ch/c make him to 3barrel of a bluff/1 pair hand. I guess ch/r flop is an option too, but even tho hes aggressive i dont think hes a spazzmonkey, so i wouldnt be in supershape if we get it in on flop

On March 16 2010 20:39 Balzamon wrote: I just think my range in hand 1 concist of so many hands that i just want to check down after checking turn that he should bet into me on river with a J =/ His raise is sooo big, what can he believe that i have that will call him that he beats? Looks so bluffy =( but its a fold? Im not thinking about folding in hand 3, ever, i just debating whats best ch/r ai turn or ch/c make him to 3barrel of a bluff/1 pair hand. I guess ch/r flop is an option too, but even tho hes aggressive i dont think hes a spazzmonkey, so i wouldnt be in supershape if we get it in on flop

people love to close their eyes and click call in spots like hand 1

Think hand 1 is only semi-interesting but I think betting turn and checking behind river gives you WAY more control of the pot and also doesn't give a free card in case he floated with overcards or w/e (small possibility but whatever). If he does check/raise turn you can easily fold. It also ensures max value against hands like 77 etc. imo.

Hand 2 ship it in. You have an aggressive dynamic going and this is a golden spot to just shove preflop. Also makes sure he doesn't 4bet you light in the future because you're one bad ass motherfucker who's not going to get destroyed preflop by light 4bets.

Hand 3 I usually fold preflop or semi-bluff 3bet. KJo against an aggressive player is too shitty of a hand OOP for 4,5bb pf. As played just check/call. I donkbet turn a lot too.

In hand 1 I think he is never, ever turning A hi or a pocket pair into a bluff, once you check back the turn he has too much showdown value with those kinds of hands. So that leaves either bluffs or nuts, and I can't really see him play his nut hands this way. Don't laugh but I think donking on the flop for him would make the most sense in that case because you are most likely going to call that in position a ton of the time with your own ace high hands as well as any two broad way cards, and obviously any pocket pair; not to mention that on a lot of turns you would also be calling a second bet. Overall with an aggro dynamic going on in the game I feel like he would try to get money in the pot as quickly as possible if he had one of the hands he is trying to represent. From his perspective it probably just looks like you can't have much of a hand since you didn't bet the turn, and you're now trying to move him off his ace hi with that largish river bet. Your hand is actually a bit underrepped, making it a call.

Hand 2 is a shove without notes/history. I think it's interesting that his 4bet is on the smaller side, making it possible for you to put in a smallish 5bet to make him think he still has some fold equity with a 6bet shove. Maybe something to think about

Hand 3 as played is a call. I don't think there is any value at all in check raising the turn all in, his calling range either has you crushed or has a ton of equity with some flush/gutshot combos. Just call and let him fire another barrel.

Hand 1 i agree that betting the turn is a better line for value, lots of hands you're beating that called flop will have to call again on that turn, and its tougher for him to bluff you because your range includes jacks.

As played shitty spot on river. You hand is pretty faceup as a marginal value hand. People in generally don't like to fold faceup hands, so i think its most people's tendencies to make this play for value, but obviously you can't fold here all the time.

Hand 2 like everyone said just shove, hes committed 20.5 bbs preflop, taking that down uncontested preflop is a big victory.

Hand 3 the turn is a very good card for him to continue bluffing, he won't put you on a flush having check-called the flop, and a K is bad for most of your flop c/c range. so vs an aggressive opponent I like you line. If the guy is a little more passive then I think leading turn is good, gets action from a wide range and doesn't let him take a potentially disastrous free card.