AA v c/r by nit (small sample)

Please tell me what you do, with a reason or not.


12/9 0%3bet over 30 hands

Never went to showdown , once raised on CO.
I played standard TAG with some 10% raise UTG

Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #40964534496: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/03/10 20:43:08 WET [2010/03/10 15:43:08 ET]
Table Mayall II 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: erwtje ($38.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Bigger Chang ($17.25 in chips)
Seat 3: qqch13 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: Gregh2177 ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: DoC.LemOn ($51.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Negidnuk72 ($55.05 in chips)
qqch13: posts small blind $0.25
Gregh2177: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn
DoC.LemOn: raises $1 to $1.50
Negidnuk72: folds
erwtje: folds
Bigger Chang: folds
qqch13: folds
Gregh2177: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $3.25)

   
Gregh2177: checks
DoC.LemOn: bets $2
Gregh2177: raises $5 to $7
DoC.LemOn: calls $5

Turn (Pot : $17.25)

   
Gregh2177: bets $12
DoC.LemOn:

Jx probably goes for pot control here, unless its Jx(spades) or QJ but i dont really see QJ reraising flop or.. even calling preflop so nvm actually
probably eliminate QQ and KK from his range here
109 would reraise for the semibluff
and sets obv
add a couple hands of air double barreling the Q and
it looks like ur doomed :D

this is just from a noobs perspective of course no seriousn advice intended t_t

meh the only draw gets there.

smells like a set

I ****ing hate people who bet 2/3 pot

thats all I have to say about that

bet $4-5 next time, see what happens or bet $1

but stop ****ing betting 2/3 pot

How come 2/3 is a bad raise size? I do it a lot, could you explain your overbet or 1/3 pot theory? Enlighten us :D.

lol, i bet just over half/half on this board.

gah, how many people raise dry flops with a set? Not many-i think, i'd call them down.

I think it looks like their bet sizing is made for milking a jack on the turn though.

T9s might not even be a part of their range considering their vpip.

their vpip is sampled over 30 hands though.

some people like to make redic
moves to make themselves
feel innovative.

lol noob

pay 50$, stack off, then learn your lesson

On March 13 2010 00:06 Stroggos wrote: lol, i bet just over half/half on this board. gah, how many people raise dry flops with a set? Not many-i think, i'd call them down. I think it looks like their bet sizing is made for milking a jack on the turn though. T9s might not even be a part of their range considering their vpip. their vpip is sampled over 30 hands though. some people like to make redic moves to make themselves feel innovative.

Wouldn't raising be standard for anyone because we raised small pre and bet small on the flop and he is OOP?
The pot will be ridiculously small if he calls flop no matter what.

On the topic of bet sizing...while I disagree with tom about blind hate being directed at 2/3 pot bet, it is certainly true that whatever amount you do bet, there should be a reason for that specific amount. If that amount comes out to be 2/3 pot, fine. Just don't thoughtlessly bet that just because it's what you are used to.

EDIT: just as an example of an appropriate spot 2/3 pot bet size is a river 3rd barrel value bet against a fish. After some experimentation, I noticed that at certain remaining stack sizes and without much history, fish are very sensitive to the size of your final barrel and 2/3 pot is about the most they are willing to call with the vast majority of their holdings. If you get greedy and bet more, they will fold a lot more often. So 2/3 pot is optimal. BUT there is a reason for the specific sizing.

flop c/r size and turn lead looks like a set/straight . meh id hate it but fold here.

Pretty gross spot - he reps such a narrow range and you don't have enough history to know if he really is a nit or not, just that he is more likely to be a nit (I have some villains marked as nits over a 100+ hands that a mate has as a LAG over 100+ hands). His range is sets, T9, QQ is definitely possible as most 50NL's don't want to get QQ in PF especially vs a narrow UTG opening range - even a slow played KK is possible.

Having said all that I think I fold for one reason - his bet sizing - he has bet a size that leaves 3/4 pot river shove (EDIT: Obv not the only reason as hid line screams strength but this tips the balance for me). If he wanted you to fold the turn he would bet more like $14 I think. He thinks he has the nuts and the only hand that thinks it is nut-like that you beat is a slow played KK.

I'd probably fold, because the mostlikely thing he would reraise is jt (and over just 30 hands you can't call him a nit yet), and it hits, and he chose to c/r, and as others have pointed out it leaves him a 3/4 psb shove for him on the river.

But he could also have a slowplayed KK or maybe he's the type of player that reraises with tp, and I dont think alot of ppl reraises a set on such a dry board, but it's possible. So I think I would just fold, it's a pretty gross spot.

easiest fold in poker history

Thanks guys, results:
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

PokerStars Game #40964534496: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/03/10 20:43:08 WET [2010/03/10 15:43:08 ET]
Table Mayall II 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: erwtje ($38.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Bigger Chang ($17.25 in chips)
Seat 3: qqch13 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: DoC.LemOn ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: Gregh2177 ($51.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Negidnuk72 ($55.05 in chips)
qqch13: posts small blind $0.25
DoC.LemOn: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to DoC.LemOn
Gregh2177: raises $1 to $1.50
Negidnuk72: folds
erwtje: folds
Bigger Chang: folds
qqch13: folds
DoC.LemOn: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $3.25)

   
DoC.LemOn: checks
Gregh2177: bets $2
DoC.LemOn: raises $5 to $7
Gregh2177: calls $5

Turn (Pot : $17.25)

   
DoC.LemOn: bets $12
Gregh2177: folds
Uncalled bet ($12) returned to DoC.LemOn
DoC.LemOn collected $16.40 from pot
DoC.LemOn: doesnt show hand

In a way this is quite funny as i thought if "villain" was capable then this is a good line to take as a bluff on this board (if villain knows we are competent) as it is hard for us to have anything we can call with - QJs/T9s and sets - especially if we shove river. I think most people won't fold AA here though - I am guessing you invented that bit? As we have a false 'nit' image it adds to it too.

On another level it looks a bit like a sick brag.

On March 14 2010 04:34 4Kingell wrote: In a way this is quite funny as i thought if "villain" was capable then this is a good line to take as a bluff on this board (if villain knows we are competent) as it is hard for us to have anything we can call with - QJs/T9s and sets - especially if we shove river. I think most people won't fold AA here though - I am guessing you invented that bit? As we have a false 'nit' image it adds to it too. On another level it looks a bit like a sick brag.

I just wanted to know if people give credit to such small sample sizes as nobody replied in my original hand I posted.

They dont have to fold AA, folding AJ on turn and AA KK some of the time itself should make it profitable. I found myself running ridiculously nitty over 30+ hands which virtually never happens as I raise some 50% buttons on Taggy tables and I wasn't sure if 30 hands is enough to pull large sized bluffs.

I didn't have this tight image and only short history with a TAG for months, I start seeing lot of merits in playing very very tight and bluffing big if it makes people fold virtually their entire range.

And I personally just play with information that I have at hand, so for me this is a snapfold spot with AA because I will never expect a nit at NL50 to be aware of his image and my image and play according to it, and I personally feel there is nothing I can do if he abuses his image, and your replies confirmed that view.

Yes - I posted the point in my reply that 30 hands can be very misleading. I like the play - as long as you know "villain" is competent as I agree with your thoughts above. vn.

I would 3bet flop with a lot of hands at flop against the raise.