NL100 TPTK vs flop raise

villain is a random 1 tabler. no reads yet and have only played a few hands with him. shove?

Submitted by : joLin

Full Tilt Poker Game #19179557252: Table Lake East - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:45:16 ET - 2010/03/12
Seat 1: josht7 ($106.95)
Seat 2: gkiller2009 ($103)
Seat 3: rassler130 ($28.40)
Seat 4: Melo44 ($98.50)
Seat 5: Hero ($101.70)
Seat 6: Gor Akopyan ($207.75)
Seat 7: newbelf ($140.40)
Seat 8: darby51 ($83.05)
Seat 9: wy77776666 ($67.50)
rassler130 posts the small blind of $0.50
Melo44 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises to $3.50
Gor Akopyan calls $3.50
newbelf folds
darby51 folds
wy77776666 folds
josht7 folds
gkiller2009 folds
rassler130 has 15 seconds left to act
rassler130 calls $3
Melo44 folds

Flop (Pot : $11.50)

   
rassler130 checks
Hero bets $7
Gor Akopyan raises to $27
rassler130 calls $24.90, and is all in

is rassler playing sss?

obviously not

nah hes just a fish, hes irrelevant imo.

i fold without thinking too hard

hm you think so? you never see random players raise top pair here?

plus theres so few hands he can have. the 2 pairs arent that likely, and theres soo many draws.

edit: sorry i forgot to add that over the few hands ive played with him, he wasnt playing every single hand.

there's not that many better hands he can have, sure. but at the same time, you don't get raised in this spot all that often. most of his flush draws have a ton of equity vs you and he could also be playing overpairs this way. given positions, i really don't see him doing this for value with worse and if he is doing that vs your utg range, he's burning money anyways. i'd just take the free showdown (which is awesome) and muck pretty fast.

x4 raise on flop by some random fish? expect to see j10 here a lot lol
seriously if a 1 tabling random whos really not too nitty and has been playing a loose stat(22-18 or within that range vpip pre)
this is mostly a live player just overdoing the whole "internet poker players are always folding" thing...

shouldnt we fold AJ utg in FR??

On March 12 2010 11:41 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: shouldnt we fold AJ utg in FR??

hmm maybe im kinda spewy there.

dont fold AJs utg FR, its still very playable. In that hand it's a really bad spot I would usually go with it but it sucks for sure.

On March 12 2010 11:41 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: shouldnt we fold AJ utg in FR??

i'd immagine opening 100% of suited aces UTG should be profitable in FULL ring

Easy fold imo. At best, you are flipping against a draw. If you do not have a read on the player that he is very aggro and will play his draws this way against UTG raises, this should be a fold. And even if you do say he has draws and monsters in his range, you are still not doing good.

Sure go ahead and play AJs and even weaker suited aces from UTG, just realize that extracting value from non-fish with your one-pair hands isn't going to be the main way you make money with those hands.

what about AJo?
(i dont know why im asking FR suck i wont ever play that crap xD)

On March 12 2010 20:54 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: what about AJo? (i dont know why im asking FR suck i wont ever play that crap xD)

I have always looked at it this way: in poker you make money when people either underestimate the strength of your hand and pay you off with worse or overestimate the strength of your hand and fold when they shouldn't. UTG in FR is this principle on steroids because by default people assume you have a strong holding. So you want to have hands that you can barrel and force folds because people will think themselves beat. And you want hands that can make such powerful combos as to be ahead of the range villains will think is ahead of your holdings. AJo does not fulfill either of these requirements without some pretty special dynamic.

I don't play much FR though, so if other people with more experience want to comment, I'd be interested to hear their take.

I don't play fr either but i remember seeing genius28 video in which he did not raise AQo utg in fr because it was too weak hand!

vs SS after his call pf?! I would call without much thinking about it. Our cbet is for value only about 1/2 of the time
so he has a lot fold equity, he can easily shove here with draws. I might be wrong but we're not nehind more than 66% vs his range.

On March 13 2010 12:20 Try2BePerfect wrote: vs SS after his call pf?! I would call without much thinking about it. Our cbet is for value only about 1/2 of the time so he has a lot fold equity, he can easily shove here with draws. I might be wrong but we're not nehind more than 66% vs his range.

You want to call OOP on Flop because you expect to be good 33% of the time and be facing draws the rest of the time?

I would probably play AQo and AJs, cause a lot of people will still raise you with AK, don't think AJo is awesome to play but you should still raise it at time. Since people assume that you usually have a strong hand UTG you can raise a lot of stuff unless they start calling a lot and play a deceptive range.