2.2 turbo 180 stars

some question about a hand in a 2.2 turbo 180 max
the blinds were 800/1600 and i just sat to a new table, 17 left out of 180, and i have no reads whatsoever,
as you know people like to limp alot in these 2.2's
my question is, is this an obivious over limp on the SB?
and with what range do you shove here without reads?
i play these tourneys for like 2 months and still learning, i was thinking, i would have FE against these limpers, and if they call its almost always 50-50, but the guy called me with K10 and hit his 10, unlikely i dont know why he limped in the first place if he was going to call an allin anyway..
is it worth risking 50-50 just before FT?
thoughts?

ez ship.
itll show monumental profits.

shove

i shove almost anything here
a pair isnt even a decision...

67s+ T9o+ looks good here

i did shove ofcourse, but lossed and had many of these situations before, just wanted to know i did the right thing,
when i made my account in november, i won 5 of these tourneys in just 20 games, and had a roi of +180% and now i cant see winning 1 in like 30/40 games.. and then i win 1 and then loose like 30 again...really frustrating now and then. played so far 830 games and have a roi of 42%..
but i still have hard trouble with AQ/AJ early game and big pocket pairs early game i loose them alot because donks go allin with 88/99 early game... and when i made the last 30 i get sucked out again and be out of the money or being bubble.
but im trying to focus,and play less tables and review every game when i loose and save it in my folder with "mistakes"
thx for comments

This is a clear shove, though most people are going to greatly exaggerate how +ev this shove is.

ur playing 180 man sngs, variance is crazy.

this is 100% shove. Making final table doesnt really mean much. You have to get top 3 in these

FUCK IT! SHOVE IT! Is that better lol, seems to be the trend here.

I hate doing that in these situations especially with no info on the rest of the table. Sometimes I would sometimes I wouldnt. But Ill defend my limp fold statement since your FE is about 0 in these luckbox turbos.

rescom you can't outplay people if you don't shove this

"outplay later" is what fish say when they fold clearly +ev spots

identify +ev spot. take advantage of it. this is the definition of skill. fuck outplay later. use of skill advantage right the fuck now IS outplay.

Fuck yeah limp and outplay 3ppl oop w/ an underpair

Or fold and outplay ppl with 9bbs (soon to be 7.5)

On February 06 2010 20:30 asdf2000 wrote: This is a clear shove, though most people are going to greatly exaggerate how +ev this shove is.

FT bubble, 7000 in the pot already, likely to be flipping if called.
totally exaggerating.

On February 07 2010 11:47 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 20:30 asdf2000 wrote: This is a clear shove, though most people are going to greatly exaggerate how +ev this shove is. FT bubble, 7000 in the pot already, likely to be flipping if called. totally exaggerating.

well firstly that isn't really the bubble
and secondly, ur gonna get called by a pair higher than yours about as often as you will get called on a flip.

I expect you will outright win that 7k nearly half the time. Maybe even slightly more.

I expect you will lose the SNG about 1/3 the time. Maybe a little less.

I do think this is clearly +ev but the situation is a world apart from having a9 or 66