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XDsCrazy   Canada. Feb 06 2010 14:22. Posts 64

I normally buy in for full but instead of having max buyin clicked I had other ammount and 15$ . but yea beside that point

G-_-LLast edit: 06/02/2010 14:23

asdfman   . Feb 06 2010 15:45. Posts 528

You dont want to see a A/K/Q/J/club, so i think raising and getting it in is the best, esp w/ a 15$ stack

 Last edit: 06/02/2010 15:45

NewbSaibot   United States. Feb 06 2010 22:33. Posts 4952

You dont honestly think someone is going to get it allin with worse than TT do you?

bye nowLast edit: 06/02/2010 22:35

rozyboy   Israel. Feb 07 2010 10:41. Posts 298


  On February 06 2010 21:33 NewbSaibot wrote:
You dont honestly think someone is going to get it allin with worse than TT do you?


I agree.
I dont feel THAT comfertable stacking here with a full stack.
kinda tough spot actually imo... I guess stacking off is still the best play...

recently switched from weak tight to weak agressive. 

X sawseech   Canada. Feb 07 2010 10:42. Posts 3182

reason to flat TT pre ip is to deny opponents the luxury of firing with impunity.

since you are disturbed by the reraise, this opponent does not fit the assigned profile.

if you rewind the hand and flat, i think you will find that the rest of the hand goes exactly as you had hoped it would.

lets go fucking mental la la la la lets go fucking mental lets go fucking mental lala la la 

qwerty67890   New Zealand. Feb 07 2010 11:53. Posts 14026


  On February 06 2010 21:33 NewbSaibot wrote:
You dont honestly think someone is going to get it allin with worse than TT do you?



I think its more likely than usual since OP has bought in short, villain should give him less respect.


TalentedTom    Canada. Feb 07 2010 12:02. Posts 20070


  On February 06 2010 21:33 NewbSaibot wrote:
You dont honestly think someone is going to get it allin with worse than TT do you?



i hope this is a joke

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

hiems   United States. Feb 07 2010 12:36. Posts 2979

1) consider 3betting TT against the cutoff raiser. You def dont want to be flat calling here 100% of the time
2) raise closer to pot on the flop.

Your raising for value here. And this is like THE perfect flop to make a raise in position on the flop for value with a hand like TT. Your value range is most weighted against draws, so theres no sense in making almost a min raise that makes it super easy for him to play. For me, it makes the hand alot easier to play (removes paranoia that he was just induced by a weak bet-size)

3) I think if you work out the possible combos, he can have wayyy more hands that your flipping with than you are crushed against.
He can have JJ+ (24) and I guess 33 (3)

or he can have a ton of draw type of hands that will get it in on the flop. Any Ax Kx Qx Jx suited hand, A ton of suited connector type of hands will do this, and since hes raising from the cutoff theres alot of those that he can have.

not to mention mid pairs that probably 3b here a decent amount, cause he might think you are bluff raising cause theres really not much you can have on the flop//tons of draws u can have.

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]Last edit: 07/02/2010 12:37

hiems   United States. Feb 07 2010 12:50. Posts 2979

hmm you know, if you think about it...he does this with mid pairs like 77-99 alottt of the time...

By calling preflop, you cant have QQ-AA ever. And you don't do this 100% of the time with JJ and even TT lets assume.

So your raise is repping alotttt of draws compared to made hands (77-TT types, 33). because of this he might be happy to ship mid pairs against ur reraise

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Feb 07 2010 18:40. Posts 15163

Directly shove flop, people will look at your stack at call with a high

93% Sure!  

Arirang   Canada. Feb 07 2010 19:58. Posts 1673

Buy in full.
You have.. what..60-some bb? I mean, ... when you raised the flop, what were you expecting?
Did you want that guy to fold so you can let out a sigh of relief saying, "whew, my tens were good after all :D"?

Get it in. And try to think before you act, eh?
And buy in for full.


XDsCrazy   Canada. Feb 07 2010 20:50. Posts 64

Thanks you for telling me to buy in for full and not reading any answer I might have give prior to ur answer.

G-_-L 

Arirang   Canada. Feb 07 2010 21:34. Posts 1673


  On February 07 2010 19:50 XDsCrazy wrote:
Thanks you for telling me to buy in for full and not reading any answer I might have give prior to ur answer.



edit: I don't know if this was meant to be smart or grateful, I don't understand the context of this said quote so I'll just shush.

 Last edit: 07/02/2010 22:16

hiems   United States. Feb 07 2010 21:55. Posts 2979

roflll he still hasn't read ittt

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

qwerty67890   New Zealand. Feb 07 2010 21:57. Posts 14026


  On February 07 2010 17:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Directly shove flop, people will look at your stack at call with a high



this

its exactly what id do if i was villain.


egood   United States. Feb 07 2010 22:02. Posts 1883

shove just cause you're short but you're probably crushed or flipping here anyway.

as playing raising here to protect your hand is fucking terrible cause you're either way behind or slightly ahead if u do get called/get it all in. and ur folding out any hands that are gonna bluff turn cards.

 Last edit: 07/02/2010 22:03

X sawseech   Canada. Feb 08 2010 06:12. Posts 3182

i wouldnt say terrible, it can't be bad to turn TT into a crappy range and get it in with a highly probable ex-showdown advantage.

lets go fucking mental la la la la lets go fucking mental lets go fucking mental lala la la 

Into Infinity   United States. Feb 08 2010 08:36. Posts 1884

shove or fold, but if you shove expect to be called pretty lightly


joLin   United States. Feb 08 2010 10:10. Posts 3818


  On February 08 2010 07:36 Into Infinity wrote:
shove or fold, but if you shove expect to be called pretty lightly


if thats the case why would we ever fold?

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

makan18   Poland. Feb 08 2010 10:57. Posts 65

raise/fold is crappy, call and evaluate the turn or 4b shove here

Vanity definitely my favorite sin 

 
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