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Butchered ATcc on 3c6h2c vs Loose Opponent

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hiems   United States. Feb 05 2010 01:39. Posts 2979

Submitted by : hiems

PokerStars Game #39248510858: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/02/04 21:50:45 ET
Table Vela 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Beast4U ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 2: jon_jones15 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: PJWONG ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: charlybraun9 ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 5: VnBDev ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($10 in chips)
charlybraun9: posts small blind $0.05
VnBDev: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero TcAc
Hero: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Beast4U: folds
jon_jones15: calls $0.40
PJWONG: folds
charlybraun9: folds
VnBDev: calls $0.30

Flop (Pot : $1.25)

   3c6h2c
VnBDev: checks
Hero: bets $0.70
jon_jones15: raises $0.70 to $1.40
VnBDev: folds
Hero: raises $1.30 to $2.70
jon_jones15: calls $1.30

Turn (Pot : $6.65)

   3c6h2cKd
Hero: checks
jon_jones15: bets $6.15 and is all-in
Hero: folds



OK I know this is terrible..............

anyway here is the situation.

jon jones is a losing player according to PTR (graph straight down)
he is laggy according to stars, but seems to have some show down rewquirements
fwiw everyone at the table is super loose and calling stations so mayb that forces him to play bit more honest

hes been playing 50% of his hands through 19 hands

I was kinda confused as to what to do on the flop.

I dont really like to call with draws OOP. In this case, if I am to flat call his reraise, I think I dont really have any other plans for the turn when i miss except check/fold. (but if you have any cool turn plays after a flat call, pls share)

I didnt feel great throwing in a 3bet, cause I feel like it doesnt give me great fold equity
and wen im called in this spot I am usually in a bad spot.

Anyway I kinda had no clue what the best option was and I obvvvvvv made the best possible play by putting in a MIN 3 BET that happens to give him the perfect amount to Pot Size Shove on the turn..


Anyway I have no idea how to even begin approaching this hand cause jon_jones can have ALOT of stuff here...So its hard to say whether to go for implied odds or flips//fold equity.

our draw is good, but not great...and we are fairly deep.

Anyway yeah, I was super confused the whole hand and I my play kinda reflects that. Any advice/pointers on the postflop play in the hand?

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sTrAtO   Mexico. Feb 05 2010 01:44. Posts 5882

$1 on flop, he minraises to $2, u shove

or

shove the turn... omg

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Fujikura   United States. Feb 05 2010 01:45. Posts 1795

Ok so people have told you a million times, and maybe you didn't get it, but I'm going to say it again, and maybe this will help enlighten you. DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO STATS OVER SMALL SAMPLES.

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hiems   United States. Feb 05 2010 01:46. Posts 2979

Oh well what if the stats are consistent with PTR? Lol fearfact keep telling me that but he is PTR #1 fan.

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hiems   United States. Feb 05 2010 01:48. Posts 2979


  On February 05 2010 00:44 sTrAtO wrote:
$1 on flop, he minraises to $2, u shove

or

shove the turn... omg



Isnt our draw like...deceptively weak tho??

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Arirang   Canada. Feb 05 2010 01:53. Posts 1673

You can take this conservatively, or you can make the last bet on flop and get it in.


LikeASet   United States. Feb 05 2010 02:06. Posts 2113

don't pay attention to small samples

play back at his min raise if you have a read that his min raise is bull shit most of the time, not based on some small sample stat

villain min raised you on flop which as a chance of being a strong hand, but he MINRAISES you, therefore you just got an excellent price to draw to the nuts, calling his minraise is ok to do so

if you're going to 3 bet the flop, make it large enough so that there's actually decent FE for villain

cheers


Fujikura   United States. Feb 05 2010 02:33. Posts 1795


  On February 05 2010 00:46 hiems wrote:
Oh well what if the stats are consistent with PTR? Lol fearfact keep telling me that but he is PTR #1 fan.


Illegal to use ptr while playing duh =D

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edzwoo   United States. Feb 05 2010 06:36. Posts 5911

3betting here will almost always be +EV because of the amount of equity you have against most any range; but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best option. 3betting is great if he is shipping worse draws or if you have some FE. Otherwise flatting will show more profit in the long run.

Barring whatever reads you said, most random bad NL10 players will be calling draws and min-raising their nut type hands. I would much rather flat the flop min-raise and call a turn bet assuming I have implied odds on his whole stack.


JSquids   United States. Feb 05 2010 06:50. Posts 1142

at 10nl i believe that this is just a flat. if he has a set , 6 or the strait already, a club will not effect weather hes getting it all in or not. so to raise this without already having the nut hand is a waste of chips since he will be getting it all in regardless of street or texture.

dont worry about being a little exploitable at 10nl. nobody will notice....

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joLin   United States. Feb 05 2010 18:18. Posts 3818


  On February 05 2010 00:45 Fujikura wrote:
Ok so people have told you a million times, and maybe you didn't get it, but I'm going to say it again, and maybe this will help enlighten you. DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO STATS OVER SMALL SAMPLES.


OP didnt mention the pfr but if villain is something like 50/0 over 19 hands i think thats significant enough, especially combined with his PTR.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TLLast edit: 05/02/2010 18:19

 



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