Are MTT player stats useful?

I'm a cash game player recently switched to mainly SNGs and MTTs. I know all about the importance of stats for cash games/table selection.

Do you guys find stats on players useful for MTTs? If so which programs do you use?

Also, for SNGs. Im currently multitabling and not using stats. I am not sure that the investment in something like Sharkscope HUD would be worth it.

i play hi stake sit n goes an medium stake mtts and i dont use HUD. Maybe i should

I find them useful but I believe most mtt players dont use stats

rofl OP you idiot, stop randomly hijacking other threads to ask about a HUD like here:

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/851191/100nlHU:_vs_river_3bet.html

I didnt hijack this thread idiot - I started it myself. Yes, I asked on that other thread about HU stats cos the guy was posting HU stats as part of the hand. So what - now your hijacking my thread to tell me to stop hijacking other threads?!?

it would be useful in SNGs but the amount of extra tables u give up by spending attention on stats instead of ur immidate decision makes it a breakeven gadget at best. Besides decisions in SNGs are absolute most of the time.

In MTTs i only launch HUD at final tables - it's impossible to build a relevant sample size- not only is the player pool enormous but playstyle would differ from blind levels, etc. As well, players at low limits simply spazz all the time so its questionable how much of a read stats provides.

you guys prefer oreos or chips ahoy?

HOWEVER
owning a HUD program is a must- theyre brilliant for analyzing plays and finding leaks.

oreos for sure, but i wouldn't mind eating some chips ahoy if i just throw em into a glass of milk, mash em up, and drink

are mtt players useful?

i use a hud

i use a hud, just to give me a feel....

On February 04 2010 07:37 exalted wrote: oreos for sure, but i wouldn't mind eating some chips ahoy if i just throw em into a glass of milk, mash em up, and drink

This

On February 04 2010 07:50 nolan wrote: are mtt players useful?

fuck you Nolan, mtt pros go through far greater variance than cash players. What's the most u ever lost aa v ak? 2000$? I lost aa v ak for 15000$.
It takes tremendous spirit and faith to be a mtt pro.
What's it take to be a cash player? Just have to be smart, easier done than said.

Op,
stats are useful yes and no. You want to take intense notes on players. What they are open raising from where with what stack size with what image of the remaining players to act. If u purely make ur decisions off stats you will get abused. 30bb
stacks will open raise 3x as wide or wider than a 20bb stack, it creates a great delusion. A 10 VIP player will jam randoms from sb as 10bb. When there are no antes and stacks are 30bb +, stats are pretty accurate. I highly suggest taking notes on players and figuring out their opening ranges.

I like to have my HUD there, but I will rarely making a decision soley on that. I find it useful early on, when you may be multi tabling alot and playing pretty tight, so when you do pick up a hand, you can work out who are the fish playing lots of hands early on so you can possible adjust your bets to extract most value etc. However, mid stages the HU is not that as important, you def need to be taking notes on every hand that is going to SD even when you are not playing. Later on it then becomes maybe a bit more useful. Sometimes it helps to identify the passive calling station who is luckboxing his way deep into the tournament vs the aggressive guy who is playing solid aggressive positional poker. harder to notice if you are playing more tables.

They are good for obvious tendencies. For examples, you can tell roughly how aggro someone is in late position. Also, if you see someone playing like 7/5 after 80 hands, you know that's a huge vagina and you should steal their blinds, but that eventually they will PMS and go all-in with J2o.

find it useful, sometimes i run into regs that i normally play with and have over 2 or 3 hundred hands on um so thats nice, and its also nice, even if you only have a 20 hand sample size at the table to see that some people have played 2 hands, and someone has played 67% of his hands, and if they have ever raised.. it helps me while multi tabling mtts

gotta use the Force in mtts, not huds

On February 04 2010 15:55 traxamillion wrote: gotta use the Force in mtts, not huds

LOL

They are ok, but much less useful in MTTs than in cash imo. Reason being most good MTT players will change how they are playing depending on where you are in the tournament (pre antes when you're deep, when antes come in and everyone's around 30-40 bbs, bubble play, etc..). Also you're gonna be moving tables a lot throughout the tournament so it's rare you get > 100 hands on someone. Far better to just not use a HUD and really try to pay attention to how your opponents are playing to determine if they know what's up or if they're bad.