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Holly23   United States. Jan 28 2010 23:41. Posts 150

Villain is 25/19 with 16% 3bet, mostly from the button, so possible FPS'r maybe?

Just looking for a line check here -

Submitted by : Holly23

PokerStars Game #38889136681: Holdem No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/01/28 22:42:11 ET
Table Juliet VIII 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: poonkel ($2.52 in chips)
Seat 3: Doc Waco ($4.13 in chips)
Seat 4: Holly2323 ($5.27 in chips)
Seat 5: ModusPoker ($3.97 in chips)
Seat 6: neverabe ($3.39 in chips)
Doc Waco: posts small blind $0.01
Holly2323: posts big blind $0.02

Holecards
Dealt to Holly2323 TdTs
ModusPoker: raises $0.04 to $0.06
neverabe: folds
poonkel: folds
Doc Waco: folds
Holly2323: calls $0.04

Flop (Pot : $0.13)

   9s3c2c
Holly2323: checks
ModusPoker: bets $0.08
lolokaka has returned
Holly2323: raises $0.22 to $0.30
ModusPoker: calls $0.22

Turn (Pot : $0.73)

   9s3c2cJh
Holly2323: bets $0.70
ModusPoker: raises $0.70 to $1.40
Holly2323: calls $0.70

River (Pot : $3.53)

   9s3c2cJh4c
Holly2323: checks



The biggest question is, can I call the turn minraise? To date all his postflop raises have been of a more standard size. And is c/f the river my only option now?

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joLin   United States. Jan 29 2010 00:10. Posts 3818

i dont like the flop raise to begin with. youre almost 200bb deep so this isnt really a spot we're going to be comfortable stacking off in, and if youre looking to raise/fold youre just wasting the value of your hand. i'd start by c/c flop and play from there.

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LikeASet   United States. Jan 29 2010 00:33. Posts 2113

pf call, check/raise, bet/call, check/? oh man it's a circus...


Arirang   Canada. Jan 29 2010 03:30. Posts 1673

You see, the problem here isn't really the turn or the river.
The real problem here is that you are just clicking buttons without thinking through what this hand may become.
You should roughly have all the answers already. Kind of like when you play chess, you look ahead to see the variables and think of counters.
Now, poker is much more complex. But it seems like you had zero plan after he calls your checkraise on flop.

As for your question, yes, calling turn is fine but your river is really bleak.
I think it may have been better to shove the turn to keep your story consistent from flop.
I don't know what would be better..open shove, or 3bet shove... but your fold equity on 3bet shove would be smaller due to pot odds.
So perhaps open shove would be better. I don't know, this hand's a real mess.

Try to plan your hand from start to finish.


Modus   United States. Jan 30 2010 05:04. Posts 36

this guy is an obvious donk, you can shove on him everytime


taco   Iceland. Jan 30 2010 08:57. Posts 1793

Whenever you say the words NL2 and Overpair to me, I usually just shout out shove.


genjix   China. Jan 30 2010 10:48. Posts 2677

flat the flop. check the turn. get a thin value bet on the river.

easy i just saved you money.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 30 2010 18:44. Posts 15163

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MayZerG   United Kingdom. Jan 30 2010 20:05. Posts 2123

holy shit...

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X sawseech   Canada. Jan 30 2010 20:25. Posts 3182

chkc chkc chkc

flop chkr serves no purpose following the flat pre

once you chkr, you almost always have to lead turn and 1/3rd of the deck is not great for you

since you flatted pre and chkr'd flop with this amt behind, he can call with anything and do what he feels like on turn and basically generate autoprofit

getting to riv like this, yeah, chkf. you are not a threat.

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FeARFaCT   United States. Jan 30 2010 20:46. Posts 496

The line you took being deep stacked completely complicates the hand. Doesn't really matter what you do at this point b/c nobody knows what's going on. If anything the move would be to just shove b/c there are a billion river cards that can come which make your hand look even worse, and very few that make it better.

A more solid line to take would be just to lead the flop and take it from there. Really tough to check/raise and build the pot with a marginal hand when you don't know what to do when facing opposition. This is a line you should be moreso taking when you are prepared to stack off if he raises you on the turn, b/c like I said earlier who knows what is going on in this hand it's a mess.

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TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 31 2010 14:49. Posts 20070

everything is ok except the turn, fold to his min reraise
at these stakes playing any overpair like the nuts is gonna be like printing money

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rozyboy   Israel. Feb 01 2010 14:15. Posts 298


  On January 31 2010 13:49 TalentedTom wrote:
everything is ok except the turn, fold to his min reraise
at these stakes playing any overpair like the nuts is gonna be like printing money


this looks right to me.

"And is c/f the river my only option now?"
as played, this looks terrible to me...
r u calling the turn minraise just to c/f any blank river? wtf where u calling the minraise for??

recently switched from weak tight to weak agressive. 

Holly23   United States. Feb 01 2010 18:22. Posts 150


  On January 31 2010 13:49 TalentedTom wrote:
everything is ok except the turn, fold to his min reraise
at these stakes playing any overpair like the nuts is gonna be like printing money



thanks


 



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