NL100 AK Turn Shove

lol call u have the nuts with a 2nd nut redraw.

i dont think he is raising all in here with a KQ or worse.
i think he got you beaten all the way from flop , mby a set he tried to slow play / raise turn
mby a weak FD that made him call on flop...
both situation fit here and i think he is raising here cause he is afraid of another heart hittin river which will
make his hand weak.
i 'd fold unless you find equity good enough here to call.

Never fold, never ahead.

On January 18 2010 12:29 Maynard! wrote: Never fold, never ahead.

Nonsense--the nittiest of nits do extremely spewy shit in 3B pots on a regular basis. Even if it's not spewy, AK w 2nd nuts FD stands to be ahead of the range we are dealing with.

did u fold? Oo curious

There is no way you can bet that much of your stack on the turn with a K high fd and then fold to a shove. This should be a super easy decision b/c you need to plan your moves ahead of time. If you don't want to call a shove then just check back the turn - bc betting again when you pick up a FD and folding is mostly horrendous.

Villain also raised UTG and flatted a squeeze oop, so I'd say it's much less likely he has some kind of suited connector here - especially since you have the Kh as well. If he has AQh and played in this manner then he wins. He's also much less likely to have a set here b/c he should be wanting to raise and put more money in when most of your range likely crushes this board and having a heart come could slow his action.

That being said, he could have a hand like QQh as well, maybe even JJh, which he is semi bluff shoving on the turn when he sees another heart and you make a super small turn cbet. That being said, making a 1/2p bet on the turn might definitely induce him to shove with more weaker hands since it's a small bet.

Given the way it all played out, I think you're behind and likely drawing near dead to AA a lot (AA w/o a heart should definitely be raising the flop), splitting with AK sometimes, dead to AQh (AJh even in his range? likely not) , and ahead of QQh-. He might have a set here some of the time but if he does then he's retarded, which may very well be the case. I wouldn't even worry about him having TT here b/c him check/calling the flop oop is likely one of the worst plays you could make when he doesn't even have the Th - and even if he were to then we still have the redraw.

Again though, you've put in so much of your stack at this point, with decent SD val and a decent draw; and folding would just be terrible planning/game theory considering those factors.

edit: messed with stove and turns out im an idiot. it's about a break even call unless i missed something.

If you don't want to call turn shove you can always check it back.

Fearfact summed it up quite nice...

I snnnnnaaaaaaap call.

Plan ahead and don't doubt yourself if you lose.

some of you guys think wayyy too hard lol
just call

lol, ok, thanks for the advice everyone, I did call and he turned up + Show Spoiler +

On January 20 2010 13:02 TalentedTom wrote: some of you guys think wayyy too hard lol just call

tom should have 2 green stars

Given stack sizes i think checking turn is probably the best play

On January 21 2010 01:12 nabz wrote: Given stack sizes i think checking turn is probably the best play

This is an interesting point, checking is ok, bet / calling is good too. There's no wrong way to play a hand this stong

yeah checking turn can't be bad, bet/calling isn't bad either

like tom said, no wrong way to play your hand, prob lower variance to check back turn though

why chk tho. do we chk AK hearts? if we chk that too then we have to chk bare AK as well and we never get value.

On January 23 2010 11:30 sawseech wrote: why chk tho. do we chk AK hearts? if we chk that too then we have to chk bare AK as well and we never get value.

ur only getting value from retards here.

hmm, turn bet is too weak? maybe the villain realised u dont have a flush and r scared of it, and maybe he bluffed you? not sure, he may have had pockets, or some sort of suited AQ AJ, but I dont think he has made a flush. not sure.

On January 23 2010 13:17 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2010 11:30 sawseech wrote: why chk tho. do we chk AK hearts? if we chk that too then we have to chk bare AK as well and we never get value. ur only getting value from retards here.

Yeah but how about some nits that got KQ with queens of hearts there also are capable of shoving here.

If u are folding a raise on turn. U should of never bet the turn when u have this sde if u r folding to a raise