NL100 AK Turn Shove

villain is 19/17 with 7% preflop 3bet. Seems like a pretty solid player.

what do I do on the turn?

Submitted by : Jas0n

PokerStars Game #38326788669: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2010/01/17 18:44:00 CT [2010/01/17 19:44:00 ET]
Table Ibarruri X 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: uG-Phoe ($115.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Puremoney28 ($87.85 in chips)
Seat 3: TsionUp ($201.85 in chips)
Seat 4: misterheuvel ($56.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($139.75 in chips)
Seat 6: theye7 ($17 in chips)
uG-Phoe: posts small blind $0.50
Puremoney28: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
TsionUp: raises $2 to $3
misterheuvel: calls $3
Hero: raises $10 to $13
theye7: folds
uG-Phoe: folds
Puremoney28: folds
TsionUp: calls $10
misterheuvel: folds

Flop (Pot : $30.50)

   
TsionUp: checks
Hero: bets $20
TsionUp: calls $20

Turn (Pot : $70.50)

   
TsionUp: checks
Hero: bets $35
TsionUp: raises $133.85 to $168.85 and is all-in
Hero:

call. 3bet pot, half your stack is in with TPTK, you have a redraw most of the time.

with your turnsizing easy snap? even without that sizing its a snap, maybe just 1 second slower snap

how do u cbet preflop? : )

On January 17 2010 23:50 LikeASet wrote: how do u cbet preflop? : )

LOL, meant 3bet

Call. This is 3B pot and you have AK TPTK. Having K-hi FD is just a bonus. 140 BB deep it's really not even an issue. If you are not comfortable in this spot, you should have 3bet slightly more PF, and bet slightly more on flop, thus reducing effective stack sizes in comparison to pre-flop stakes.

lol call u have the nuts with a 2nd nut redraw.

i dont think he is raising all in here with a KQ or worse.
i think he got you beaten all the way from flop , mby a set he tried to slow play / raise turn
mby a weak FD that made him call on flop...
both situation fit here and i think he is raising here cause he is afraid of another heart hittin river which will
make his hand weak.
i 'd fold unless you find equity good enough here to call.

Never fold, never ahead.

On January 18 2010 12:29 Maynard! wrote: Never fold, never ahead.

Nonsense--the nittiest of nits do extremely spewy shit in 3B pots on a regular basis. Even if it's not spewy, AK w 2nd nuts FD stands to be ahead of the range we are dealing with.

did u fold? Oo curious

There is no way you can bet that much of your stack on the turn with a K high fd and then fold to a shove. This should be a super easy decision b/c you need to plan your moves ahead of time. If you don't want to call a shove then just check back the turn - bc betting again when you pick up a FD and folding is mostly horrendous.

Villain also raised UTG and flatted a squeeze oop, so I'd say it's much less likely he has some kind of suited connector here - especially since you have the Kh as well. If he has AQh and played in this manner then he wins. He's also much less likely to have a set here b/c he should be wanting to raise and put more money in when most of your range likely crushes this board and having a heart come could slow his action.

That being said, he could have a hand like QQh as well, maybe even JJh, which he is semi bluff shoving on the turn when he sees another heart and you make a super small turn cbet. That being said, making a 1/2p bet on the turn might definitely induce him to shove with more weaker hands since it's a small bet.

Given the way it all played out, I think you're behind and likely drawing near dead to AA a lot (AA w/o a heart should definitely be raising the flop), splitting with AK sometimes, dead to AQh (AJh even in his range? likely not) , and ahead of QQh-. He might have a set here some of the time but if he does then he's retarded, which may very well be the case. I wouldn't even worry about him having TT here b/c him check/calling the flop oop is likely one of the worst plays you could make when he doesn't even have the Th - and even if he were to then we still have the redraw.

Again though, you've put in so much of your stack at this point, with decent SD val and a decent draw; and folding would just be terrible planning/game theory considering those factors.

edit: messed with stove and turns out im an idiot. it's about a break even call unless i missed something.

If you don't want to call turn shove you can always check it back.

Fearfact summed it up quite nice...

I snnnnnaaaaaaap call.

Plan ahead and don't doubt yourself if you lose.

some of you guys think wayyy too hard lol
just call

lol, ok, thanks for the advice everyone, I did call and he turned up + Show Spoiler +

On January 20 2010 13:02 TalentedTom wrote: some of you guys think wayyy too hard lol just call

tom should have 2 green stars

Given stack sizes i think checking turn is probably the best play

On January 21 2010 01:12 nabz wrote: Given stack sizes i think checking turn is probably the best play

This is an interesting point, checking is ok, bet / calling is good too. There's no wrong way to play a hand this stong