is this bad

i suspect this guy is kinda tight. don't really think he is light; wishful thinking to think he has like aq ak 1010. good spot to chip up or pass on this in a soft field donkfest

Submitted by : traxamillion

PokerStars Game #38326477762: Tournament #262010647, $10+$1 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XVI (600/1200) - 2010/01/17 19:36:47 ET
Table 262010647 361 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: fkftp (71401 in chips)
Seat 2: maverik1963 (17411 in chips)
Seat 3: assoar (24360 in chips)
Seat 4: minhoca.sp77 (41110 in chips)
Seat 5: Stings (75925 in chips)
Seat 6: MATEMATYK55 (21714 in chips)
Seat 7: ImaLucSac (42076 in chips)
Seat 8: raffi887 (14661 in chips)
Seat 9: WhatArunAA (38409 in chips)
fkftp: posts the ante 200
maverik1963: posts the ante 200
assoar: posts the ante 200
minhoca.sp77: posts the ante 200
Stings: posts the ante 200
MATEMATYK55: posts the ante 200
ImaLucSac: posts the ante 200
raffi887: posts the ante 200
WhatArunAA: posts the ante 200
raffi887: posts small blind 600
WhatArunAA: posts big blind 1200

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to fkftp
fkftp: raises 2312 to 3512
maverik1963: folds
assoar: folds
minhoca.sp77: raises 3688 to 7200
Stings: folds
MATEMATYK55: folds
ImaLucSac: folds
raffi887: folds
WhatArunAA: folds
fkftp: raises 64001 to 71201 and is all-in
minhoca.sp77: calls 33710 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (30291) returned to fkftp

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $85,420.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $85,420.00)

   

River (Pot : $85,420.00)

   

Showdown
fkftp: shows (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
minhoca.sp77: shows (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
minhoca.sp77 collected 85420 from pot

Summary
Total pot 85420 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: fkftp showed and lost with two pair, Jacks and Deuces
Seat 2: maverik1963 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: assoar folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: minhoca.sp77 showed and won (85420) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 5: Stings folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: MATEMATYK55 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: ImaLucSac (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: raffi887 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: WhatArunAA (big blind) folded before Flop

Need more info on villain really.

Also edit so results are not shown please, you are gonna get better discussion.

i mean say u just got moved to this table maybe played a few hands but just saw villain fold everything

this is bad imo
I hate 4Bet shoving with JJ here...

calling would be better than shoving thats for sure

35bb v 60bb deep...think I would've flatted 3bet PF, C/C flop, C/F turn imo

On January 19 2010 13:38 St.PoloSporT wrote: 35bb v 60bb deep...think I would've flatted 3bet PF, C/C flop, C/F turn imo

so just call flop and then c/f turn getting 4:1 + regardless of board? doubt it.


asdf:

Why do you feel flatting is a lot better? I'm going to be oop with like 1:1.5 effective stacks left on the flop. I still get stacked on undercard flops vs an overpair. sometimes I can dodge on ace high boards but at the same time I am going to end up giving a lot of hands a free card when he checks back flop. Also I miss out on value if he can get away from say 99 1010 on qk high boards whereas he isn't 3bet folding them pre.

felt like a jam or fold to me since i don't expect him to spazz out when i flat a 3bet.

shitty spot, i dunno really.

has he ever min 3bet before? If yes, I think pushing is fine.

edit #1:actually i can probably find a fold here too, unless he seems retarded
edit #2: this hand is annoying, i dont mind folding preflop but im not going to be happy about it. If he's been tight like you've said he has, i'd probably call and just c/f which is pretty week. I mean he's not messing around with you're utg raise is he?

edit: sorry

i like to fold pre... in $11 tourneys ppl usually dont 3bet light when you raise UTG i mean, what can be in his range? QQ+, AK, no more...

i ez push it if tournament shark says that villian is a retard,if not i think for a while and push it too...

On January 20 2010 02:14 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2010 13:38 St.PoloSporT wrote: 35bb v 60bb deep...think I would've flatted 3bet PF, C/C flop, C/F turn imo so just call flop and then c/f turn getting 4:1 + regardless of board? doubt it. asdf: Why do you feel flatting is a lot better? I'm going to be oop with like 1:1.5 effective stacks left on the flop. I still get stacked on undercard flops vs an overpair. sometimes I can dodge on ace high boards but at the same time I am going to end up giving a lot of hands a free card when he checks back flop. Also I miss out on value if he can get away from say 99 1010 on qk high boards whereas he isn't 3bet folding them pre. felt like a jam or fold to me since i don't expect him to spazz out when i flat a 3bet.

because he never calls w/ worse. and if he has AK or AQ it's actually more +ev to check/raise a flop without A or K than it is to move allin here.


the odds of him having something you dominate are extremely low