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PanoRaMa   United States. Jan 14 2010 20:52. Posts 1655

Submitted by : PanoRaMa

PokerStars Game #38136181376: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2010/01/14 15:34:02 CCT [2010/01/14 2:34:02 ET]
Table Orthosie II 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: H@££INGGOL ($1448.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Emmoyouesee ($741.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($646.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Pairofnothin ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: flyingnoob ($928.70 in chips)
Pairofnothin: posts small blind $2
flyingnoob: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero KcKs
H@££INGGOL: folds
Emmoyouesee: folds
Hero: raises $8 to $12
Pairofnothin: calls $10
flyingnoob: folds

Flop (Pot : $28.00)

   QcAs5s
Pairofnothin: checks
Hero: checks

Turn (Pot : $28.00)

   QcAs5sTs
Pairofnothin: checks
Hero: bets $18
Pairofnothin: raises $46 to $64
Hero: calls $46

River (Pot : $156.00)

   QcAs5sTsTd
Pairofnothin: bets $132
Hero: raises $438.45 to $570.45 and is all-in



It's 192 remaining to him. Not a standard play on my part decided to try it for the sake of experimentation. Villain is like a 27/22 reg although I'm new to stars so I don't have much history with villain or anything. He does seem pretty aggro but no real reason to really play back at me as if I were constantly messing with him or anything, fwiw.

On the turn my hand is still sometimes good, with sd value and the nfd/gs anyway, I think flop/turn are fine. River my thinking was well he might not c/r AT, maybe a set but that's probably only 55, but he would c/r with flushes, KJ, random air/hands turned into bluffs or w/e. Because I also have the Ks blocked he never has the nut flush (whereas I could) and there are times I have AT, TT here. Not to mention I'm laying him decent odds but it should be a spot where I'm never perceived to be bluffing, but I don't know if he knows that or not.

Essentially I'm trying to fold out AQ, KJ and smaller flushes (Ax+, air, etc. too if they still bet river like this of course), although I have no idea if he'll ever fold a lower flush. Given that last line, is this play spew?

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phexac   United States. Jan 14 2010 21:07. Posts 2563

Only thing you are folding out is a bluff. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING he does this for value with will ever fold. Your hand makes no sense what so ever unless it's a FH you backed into. More likely, it was the villain that did the backing.

So if you think he is full of crap often enough, just call imo. Raise here is

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TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 14 2010 21:15. Posts 20070

"400nl does better ever fold"
no

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PanoRaMa   United States. Jan 14 2010 21:22. Posts 1655

Yeah I don't think he's bluffing nearly enough to justify calling.

And i'm not sure how good of a reason this is at all, but fwiw I don't find that I need to rep much in a spot where it's perceived that I'm never bluffing, and in those cases most flushes are essentially bluff catchers and don't beat anything. Agree?
But ya like I said I have no idea whether or not he's able of reasoning this way, so I could be totally spewing. Just something to think about I guess though.

edit: lol ty tom

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Grass.nS)   United States. Jan 14 2010 22:11. Posts 400

This is awful. You're doing it wrong!

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Maynard!   United States. Jan 14 2010 22:11. Posts 4453

Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP.Last edit: 14/01/2010 22:12

Stroggos   New Zealand. Jan 15 2010 00:10. Posts 1117

Try doing this on a dry board, and when they are repping top pair.

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ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Jan 15 2010 00:38. Posts 5070

with all his value hands, he clicks time, thinks about your line for about 0.5 seconds, fist pumps while laughing, and clicks call

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Jan 15 2010 02:32. Posts 7292


  On January 14 2010 23:38 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
with all his value hands, he clicks time, thinks about your line for about 0.5 seconds, fish pumps while laughing, and clicks call

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genjix   China. Jan 15 2010 02:39. Posts 2677

bettor. and you're from the US

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palak   United States. Jan 15 2010 02:43. Posts 4601


  On January 14 2010 20:15 TalentedTom wrote:
"400nl does better ever fold"
no


dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium 

SPEWTARD   Peru. Jan 15 2010 03:05. Posts 4307

i remember the good times before movin up to nl400 when i tho players were able to fold tptk, oh the horrible truth

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PanoRaMa   United States. Jan 15 2010 03:14. Posts 1655

thanks a lot for the comments, i jammed and got called by 6s7s lol expermentaments

also genjix the proper grammar should've been "do better [hands] ever fold"; i was not referring to the person that bet.

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Liquid`Drone   Norway. Jan 15 2010 06:51. Posts 3096

rofl genjix you are from the uk and you didn't understand that he meant to ask whether a better hand would fold...

lol POKER 

HaiVan   Bulgaria. Jan 15 2010 08:03. Posts 2083

rofl genjixments

Poker chobo. 

phexac   United States. Jan 15 2010 15:31. Posts 2563


  On January 15 2010 05:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
rofl genjix you are from the uk and you didn't understand that he meant to ask whether a better hand would fold...



Give him a break--he's from the UK--they speak a dead language there.

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Sicks Macks   United States. Jan 15 2010 17:21. Posts 3929

I thought genjix's pun was funny (and deliberate)

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