standard cooler ya?

24/19, 73% cb, 24% utg open
Only thing that I came back to is that he didnt cb flop

Submitted by : gawdawaful

PokerStars Game #38152358242: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2010/01/14 9:29:30 PT [2010/01/14 12:29:30 ET]
Table Mora II 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: beta77 ($107.65 in chips)
Seat 2: xJerkyx ($116.90 in chips)
Seat 3: kingbullet60 ($132.95 in chips)
Seat 4: cs_sitz ($274.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($177.80 in chips)
Seat 6: LikeASet ($111.10 in chips)
xJerkyx: posts small blind $0.50
kingbullet60: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
cs_sitz: raises $2 to $3
Hero: calls $3
LikeASet: folds
beta77: folds
xJerkyx: folds
kingbullet60: calls $2

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $9.50)

   
kingbullet60: checks
cs_sitz: checks
Hero: bets $6
kingbullet60: folds
cs_sitz: calls $6

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $21.50)

   
cs_sitz: checks
Hero: bets $14
cs_sitz: raises $27 to $41
Hero: raises $127.80 to $168.80 and is all-in
cs_sitz: calls $127.80

River (Pot : $359.10)

   

Showdown
cs_sitz: shows (four of a kind, Tens)
Hero: shows (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
cs_sitz collected $356.10 from pot

Summary
Total pot $359.10 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: beta77 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: xJerkyx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: kingbullet60 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: cs_sitz showed and won ($356.10) with four of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: Hero showed and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 6: LikeASet folded before Flop (didnt bet)

I never give people credit for quads. I say cooler

I flat turn, and yah, cooler

lol it sux because he took a really obvious line repping only a hand that ties yours or quads. I don't think you should be 3betting the turn because of this unless you guys have some aggro history going on since it's unlikely he's going to pay you off with just a T when you're both over 150BB deep. He probably would have bet a T on the flop as well. Also, even though flatting guarantees you have a strong hand, 3betting your hand on the turn basically polarizes your hand into having a jack, quads, or bluffs.

Just flat the turn raise and call river imo. Pretty much a set up but I think you could have saved yourself some money in a spot where you're almost always going to be looking at a split.

flat turn

I was probably on a bit too many tables to give it too much thought, but I know I had been playing like a tard on that table (or so it would appear) because kingbullet is a bit of a trout. At the time I felt flatting basically screams 100% jack, so I went ahead and took the other route that screams 99% jack
And yah grass, honestly, looking back I was thinking even if he is going to always have Jack for chop or quads, odds are he has quads slightly more often than he would have a chop... if that makes any sense?

Yea that makes sense, which is why this spot sux. The problem is there's literally only 1 combo of a hand that beats you, but it's possible he could've played JTs like this as well. I guess if he's only doing it with basically those 2 hands, and MAYBE like a weak J sometimes like J9s, then you might be able to fold to a river bet? But honestly, if he ever shows up here with a bluff like 10% of the time then you can't fold this and it's for that reason that this is a cooler.

You go broke either way, but yea just flat turn. When you jam you take away all possibility of him getting it in with air, and could even scare a ten away.

On January 14 2010 12:42 Grass.nS) wrote: lol it sux because he took a really obvious line repping only a hand that ties yours or quads. I don't think you should be 3betting the turn because of this unless you guys have some aggro history going on since it's unlikely he's going to pay you off with just a T when you're both over 150BB deep. He probably would have bet a T on the flop as well. Also, even though flatting guarantees you have a strong hand, 3betting your hand on the turn basically polarizes your hand into having a jack, quads, or bluffs. Just flat the turn raise and call river imo. Pretty much a set up but I think you could have saved yourself some money in a spot where you're almost always going to be looking at a split.

and split means less money in pot, less rake =P

Yeah pretty much a cooler. http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/772155

yeh call turn raise, but i really fold this pf... several people left to act.. even tough he opens a shit ton of hands

On January 14 2010 16:00 SpasticInk wrote: yeh call turn raise, but i really fold this pf... several people left to act.. even tough he opens a shit ton of hands

If that is you line of thinking-just 3bet him. AJ has a ton of blockers and he will fold very often, especially if you have no been doing this a lot. With A and J in your hands, there is just so many fewer good hands he can continue with. So 3B way >>> folding.

maybe, i merely stated that fold > call , i just dont think its a profitable call with our position with 4 people left to act.

he also never really stated how many hands this was based on... with this stat villain opens the same hands from every position, which seems pretty unlikely If you ask me...

with that said, if the number of hands this is based on is low, i think the stats are really skewed and not very reliable...

preety easy turn fold

thanks for yet another meaningfull topic

On January 14 2010 17:59 SpasticInk wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2010 15:42 MadJukes wrote:   On January 14 2010 12:42 Grass.nS) wrote: lol it sux because he took a really obvious line repping only a hand that ties yours or quads. I don't think you should be 3betting the turn because of this unless you guys have some aggro history going on since it's unlikely he's going to pay you off with just a T when you're both over 150BB deep. He probably would have bet a T on the flop as well. Also, even though flatting guarantees you have a strong hand, 3betting your hand on the turn basically polarizes your hand into having a jack, quads, or bluffs. Just flat the turn raise and call river imo. Pretty much a set up but I think you could have saved yourself some money in a spot where you're almost always going to be looking at a split. and split means less money in pot, less rake =P maybe, i merely stated that fold > call , i just dont think its a profitable call with our position with 4 people left to act. he also never really stated how many hands this was based on... with this stat villain opens the same hands from every position, which seems pretty unlikely If you ask me...

Yea a lot of this is going to depend on villain's tightness from UTG