Dealing with donk bets

str8nft was 73/19/0 over 26 hands
nederland81 was 46/9/0 over 35 hands

Submitted by : phrenik

Full Tilt Poker Game #17579281851: Table Monarch Birch - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:52:23 ET - 2010/01/13
Seat 1: str8nft ($4.60)
Seat 2: nederland81 ($3.33)
Seat 3: phrenik ($6.78)
Seat 4: calahorrix ($1), is sitting out
Seat 5: Lacrizzer ($6.29)
Seat 6: ic_andrea ($4.53)
Seat 7: khagosh ($1)
Seat 9: Aniston ($6.46)
khagosh posts the small blind of $0.02
Aniston posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #6

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to phrenik
str8nft raises to $0.10
nederland81 calls $0.10
phrenik raises to $0.30
Lacrizzer has 15 seconds left to act
Lacrizzer folds
ic_andrea folds
khagosh folds
khagosh adds $0.02
Aniston folds
str8nft calls $0.20
nederland81 calls $0.20

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.97)

   
str8nft has 15 seconds left to act
str8nft bets $0.25
nederland81 folds
phrenik raises to $0.80
str8nft calls $0.55

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2.57)

   
str8nft bets $0.05
phrenik has 15 seconds left to act
phrenik calls $0.05

River (Pot : $2.67)

   
str8nft checks
phrenik checks
Cfpahsk stands up

Showdown
str8nft shows a pair of Fours
phrenik shows a pair of Fours
phrenik wins the pot ($2.50) with a pair of Fours

Summary
Total pot $2.67 | Rake $0.17
Board:
Seat 1: str8nft showed and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 2: nederland81 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: phrenik showed and won ($2.50) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: calahorrix is sitting out
Seat 5: Lacrizzer didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ic_andrea (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: khagosh (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Aniston (big blind) folded before the Flop

fishes love to lead with shitty hands so raise that goddam turn if he has a pair + straight draw hes never folding and when u hit the perfect card on river please shove and stack that retard youre never beat here

hes gonna have Tx or 7x a LOT and you dont wanna lose value vs those

keep raising 'em. and just show them infinite aggression

i always raise the 1st donkbet just to see if they'll let it go... once they start minbetting you obv have to call.

So after looking at the hands where I've been led into for under 40% pot on the flop and I raised with no pair, I got folds 22/55 times. Not as many folds as I thought I was getting. Surprisingly I'm slightly on the positive side on money made in these hands. But looking at the situations I get in, it's definitely not a good play. Bluff raising people who call too much is a bad play, who would have thought?

Thanks for the help. (jerks )

Fold flop. Fish don't fold anything, and you trying to bluff him when so many hands he has connect with that flop, and then you pretty much checked turn and river.

Fold flop. /Thread.

On January 14 2010 05:51 mrpav.com wrote: Fold flop. /Thread.

Yea just fold flop. You have such a big edge over him that you can wait for the next hand and do exactly the same, only with TP this time

On January 13 2010 21:00 MiPwnYa wrote: fishes love to lead with shitty hands so raise that goddam turn if he has a pair + straight draw hes never folding and when u hit the perfect card on river please shove and stack that retard youre never beat here

Either you are in the wrong thread or you misread the hand lol

This is a flop I wouldn't raise leads on that often I think, because it's reasonably connected - it doesn't have a FD so it's not too bad I guess.

If he donk-bet a raggier board then hell yeah raise that shit up. Here, meh. A bit too many 8x hands that are gonna call.

Haha interesting responses. I think MiPwnYa thought you had an overpair b/c I don't know how we lose value vs Tx here when we have K high w/o a gutshot even.

Against a huge fish I'm just never folding this flop. We can hit so many cards that can lead towards a stack (any 9+), and he's donking real small into a somewhat large pot with almost a full stack behind so huge implied odds. However, I'm not a fan of raising it since we didn't hit super well and it's fairly coordinated so you can expect a lot of hands that donk to call a raise. Like Tian said though, I'm blasting this up on a raggier board.

Just consider your fold equity and raw equity when facing donk bets. Here the fold equity looks terrible since it's so coordinated. Raw equity isn't great on flop either as we don't flop much, although enough good turn cards can come that I definitely want to call a small donk with good implied odds.

rofl i must have been pretty drunk to confuse KJ w/ KK my bad

Haha, I thought you might have misread it at first, but I thought "it was suited, there's no way". So I just figured you were just trolling me for playing stupidly.

i raise turn too, he's so weak here.

Preflop should be 50-65c

On February 08 2010 22:08 Sicks Macks wrote: Preflop should be 50-65c

On February 08 2010 22:08 Sicks Macks wrote: Preflop should be 50-65c

yup

also flop is fine but remember that a lot of turn cards are good for 2 barrels a lot of the time.