DorN bubble shove

calling in BB's spot is a sick spew
if he folds every hand he prob wins at least 90% of the time

On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this.

wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range?
u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious?


well, looking back at the hand though, I thought this was 2 from the money not 1 from the money

seeing as how there is a shorter stack i would fold. i'd prolly fold unless no one was near my stack (i was shortest by a decent amount)

On January 07 2010 11:15 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this. wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range? u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious?

Yeah, he's serious. He has no clue.

On January 07 2010 12:13 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2010 11:15 asdf2000 wrote:   On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this. wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range? u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious? Yeah, he's serious. He has no clue.

You know fuji is a 70 tabling DoN hero grinder with like 12% ROI right?

On January 07 2010 10:16 player999 wrote: calling in BB's spot is a sick spew if he folds every hand he prob wins at least 90% of the time

That doesn't matter if he doesn't know that ^^

hey fuji, what would u do if

Seat 3: lafouine743 (2510 in chips)
Seat 5: lfladomen (3810 in chips)

had their spots switched with

Seat 6: AndreasPasca (1085 in chips)
Seat 7: rickypapro (1435 in chips)

do u shove then?

On January 07 2010 12:22 asdf2000 wrote: hey fuji, what would u do if Seat 3: lafouine743 (2510 in chips) Seat 5: lfladomen (3810 in chips) had their spots switched with Seat 6: AndreasPasca (1085 in chips) Seat 7: rickypapro (1435 in chips) do u shove then?

Pretty marginal spot, I fold it.

I read a pretty interesting blog yesterday about some strategy of DorN bubble play. I have to admit, some of the strategy discussed I had never even realised. Interesting read, talking about being pretty dam short;

http://collinmoshman.com/2010/01/im-26-in-chips-stacks-yet-i-am-the-short-stack/

Yeah. In those situations it's really best to not play a hand at all short of JJ+

You got the 1k stack utg, meaning you win if he doesn't double so I fold...

On January 12 2010 06:02 Hjorturkall wrote: You got the 1k stack utg, meaning you win if he doesn't double so I fold...

hey hey, someone else knows how to play DON here

On January 05 2010 10:16 Miller wrote: The 50$ games are dead, good luck beating the rake

What do you mean by this? That the players are so good that you can't profit from them?

its a fold because blinds are about to pass a stack that is shorter then yours.

On February 08 2010 06:27 breaktwister wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2010 10:16 Miller wrote: The 50$ games are dead, good luck beating the rake What do you mean by this? That the players are so good that you can't profit from them?

when people play it even remotely correctly DONs become a nitfest where everything depends on luck of the cards youre dealt.

On February 08 2010 08:51 SfydjkLm wrote: its a fold because blinds are about to pass a stack that is shorter then yours.

Yea, this. Stack sizes are usually more important in double or nothings than hole cards, especially on the bubble.

On February 08 2010 08:52 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2010 06:27 breaktwister wrote:   On January 05 2010 10:16 Miller wrote: The 50$ games are dead, good luck beating the rake What do you mean by this? That the players are so good that you can't profit from them? when people play it even remotely correctly DONs become a nitfest where everything depends on luck of the cards youre dealt.

I don't really agree with this. While it's true DONs are a huge nitfest, you could say "everything depends on the luck of the cards you're dealt." in any form of poker, so that doesn't really make sense.

On February 08 2010 16:31 Fujikura wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2010 08:52 SfydjkLm wrote:   On February 08 2010 06:27 breaktwister wrote:   On January 05 2010 10:16 Miller wrote: The 50$ games are dead, good luck beating the rake What do you mean by this? That the players are so good that you can't profit from them? when people play it even remotely correctly DONs become a nitfest where everything depends on luck of the cards youre dealt. I don't really agree with this. While it's true DONs are a huge nitfest, you could say "everything depends on the luck of the cards you're dealt." in any form of poker, so that doesn't really make sense.

to put it more simple(i hope) its like any other poker- the less people there are the more u can exploit your edge. its much harder to exploit 5 man bubble then it is to exploit 3 man bubble.

OK I agree with you. But DONs are profitable because generally in a 6-man bubble there will be at least 1 person who has no clue wtf he is doing. Your equity 6-handed is generally 80% or better regardless of chip stack sizes, and people don't realize that and donate their monies by stacking off with Ax every time on the bubble.
To put it more simple (I hope), although you can't exploit specific players on the bubble, someone will generally exploit themselves by making bad calls on the bubble and give up their own equity.

i play DON's myself but the consideration was that u get to stakes high enough it will stop being profitable because as opposed to cash u cant table select yourself some scoutsXXX

It tilts me so bad that the players are so terrible at the $5 and even $10 DONs and I cant use the chatbox in these things, even to just say "WDF!"

In one of the games the BB was at 400 with a chip stack of 950, CO, Button and SB all had decent stacks and they all folded. WDF!?!