DorN bubble shove

eh guys i think its good if i check this once in a while. this is a standard shove for me. is that right?
Submitted by : piratematerial

PokerStars Game #37684276015: Tournament #228862148, $50+$4 USD Holdem No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/01/05 9:44:00 ET
Table 228862148 1 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: pokerhaasje (1235 in chips)
Seat 3: lafouine743 (2510 in chips)
Seat 5: lfladomen (3810 in chips)
Seat 6: AndreasPasca (1085 in chips)
Seat 7: rickypapro (1435 in chips)
Seat 10: Bill D 32 (4925 in chips)
pokerhaasje: posts the ante 20
lafouine743: posts the ante 20
lfladomen: posts the ante 20
AndreasPasca: posts the ante 20
rickypapro: posts the ante 20
Bill D 32: posts the ante 20
lafouine743: posts small blind 100
lfladomen: posts big blind 200

Holecards
Dealt to pokerhaasje
AndreasPasca: folds
rickypapro: folds
Bill D 32: folds
pokerhaasje: raises 1015 to 1215 and is all-in

You got 6 BB left, people wont call u on the bubble. So yes, std

The 50$ games are dead, good luck beating the rake

I can easily wait even with only 6 or 7 better 8 BB still because i'm on the button, but the antes is killing us so... Either way is fine imo.

i'd fold, there is smaller stack than us who's gonna on blinds, bb has you 3x covered so he can call you with wide range

I think this is actually super borderline.

I say shove with no reads but with reads only shove if villains are tight here obv

I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think.

On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think.

When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ?

On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ?

People call on $50 DON's light also...... People don't play anywhere near optimally even on the bubble, hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long...

On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long...

well yea he only has 6bbs....

On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs....

That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this.

calling in BB's spot is a sick spew
if he folds every hand he prob wins at least 90% of the time

On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this.

wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range?
u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious?


well, looking back at the hand though, I thought this was 2 from the money not 1 from the money

seeing as how there is a shorter stack i would fold. i'd prolly fold unless no one was near my stack (i was shortest by a decent amount)

On January 07 2010 11:15 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this. wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range? u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious?

Yeah, he's serious. He has no clue.

On January 07 2010 12:13 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2010 11:15 asdf2000 wrote:   On January 06 2010 23:34 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 20:10 Jamie217 wrote:   On January 06 2010 13:29 Fujikura wrote:   On January 06 2010 06:38 pluzich wrote:   On January 05 2010 21:19 Fujikura wrote: I'd fold it. Both other players have big enough stacks to call you, and the 3.5k stack wouldn't even bat an eye calling you with like A7o or some garbage. There's also another person with a shorter stack than you and you can wait him out. Don't push stuff like this unless you're desperate because people will call on the bubble WAY WAY WAY more often than you think. When you claim his assessment of calling ranges is WAY WAY WAY off, on the bubble, do you realize this guy is playing 50$ DoN's ? hero will get looked up with a bunch of Ax/Kx/pp's all day long... well yea he only has 6bbs.... That's why you fold and wait until you have a hand that has actual equity vs a loose calling range, or wait for the guy with a shorter stack to all in and get called first so you don't make huge -EV shoves like this. wait for a hand that has better equity vs his calling range? u mean a premium hand? ur saying to wait for a premium hand? are you serious? Yeah, he's serious. He has no clue.

You know fuji is a 70 tabling DoN hero grinder with like 12% ROI right?

On January 07 2010 10:16 player999 wrote: calling in BB's spot is a sick spew if he folds every hand he prob wins at least 90% of the time

That doesn't matter if he doesn't know that ^^

hey fuji, what would u do if

Seat 3: lafouine743 (2510 in chips)
Seat 5: lfladomen (3810 in chips)

had their spots switched with

Seat 6: AndreasPasca (1085 in chips)
Seat 7: rickypapro (1435 in chips)

do u shove then?

On January 07 2010 12:22 asdf2000 wrote: hey fuji, what would u do if Seat 3: lafouine743 (2510 in chips) Seat 5: lfladomen (3810 in chips) had their spots switched with Seat 6: AndreasPasca (1085 in chips) Seat 7: rickypapro (1435 in chips) do u shove then?

Pretty marginal spot, I fold it.

I read a pretty interesting blog yesterday about some strategy of DorN bubble play. I have to admit, some of the strategy discussed I had never even realised. Interesting read, talking about being pretty dam short;

http://collinmoshman.com/2010/01/im-26-in-chips-stacks-yet-i-am-the-short-stack/

Yeah. In those situations it's really best to not play a hand at all short of JJ+